Live Earth

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anyone else want to point out the irony?

[Juventus3]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

When you are the biggest polluter on the planet on July 7,2007 and you consider the event's message, it's pretty easy to laugh at and criticize this event.

think. long. run.

it's three words! you're inability to understand this concept is astonishing.

[doozwimp]

I R O N Y

Lack of a clear point with the tidbit of hilarity above makes this event easy to criticize.

Good idea, but perhaps one that produces mixed results

[Devils'Advocate]

The problem is that any big giant huge media event is going to have some kind of ecological footprint.

Do nothing to promote environmentalism = failure for future generations.
Do something = have conservatives bash you for hypocrisy.

I quit helping out with "Earth Day", "Swap Day" and the like years ago... the environmental movement is damned if you do, damned if you don't. It's a no win situation.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by Juventus3

think. long. run.

it's three words! you're inability to understand this concept is astonishing.

Do you really think these concerts will have any impact on the way in which the majority of people think of the enviroment or even enough for a significant amount of people to care for an extended period of time. People won't change their behaviours because they saw a rock concert and the lead singer of Fall out Boy told them it was a good idea.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by CaptainCraig

But that is exactly the point of the event! If we weren't the biggest polluters on the planet, then it wouldn't be needed? I don't understand your point at all?

biggest polluter = live earth
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[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

The problem is that any big giant huge media event is going to have some kind of ecological footprint.

Do nothing to promote environmentalism = failure for future generations.
Do something = have conservatives bash you for hypocrisy.

I quit helping out with "Earth Day", "Swap Day" and the like years ago... the environmental movement is damned if you do, damned if you don't. It's a no win situation.

uh i just bashed the event and somehow that makes me a conservative...interesting and very well thoughtout.
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[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Juventus3

think. long. run.

it's three words! you're inability to understand this concept is astonishing.

yes kinda like live aid and here we are 22 years later (think. long. run.)..awareness was raised and nothing really has been done!
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[Kool Keef]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

I am an environmentalist. My CO2 footprint is probably half of what most peoples are....

I'm not an environmentalist, but I'm sure my carbon footprint along with everyone else on this board is a lot less than any of the morons performing. Yet somehow we commoners are the ones who have to sacrifice when many of the artists will continue to live their lavish lifestyle.

This event will do nothing but make a bunch of pompous jackasses feel good about themselves.

But as long as we're being educated....

[Juventus3]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

Do you really think these concerts will have any impact on the way in which the majority of people think of the enviroment or even enough for a significant amount of people to care for an extended period of time. People won't change their behaviours because they saw a rock concert and the lead singer of Fall out Boy told them it was a good idea.

I'm sure you have a better idea in the works. My appologies.

Who sets trends in pop culture if not celebrities? The USA moreso than any other country is driven by what they see on TV.

So yes, I do really think this will have an impact on people. Not to say this event alone will break down our society into what it must become, but it sure as hell beats standing around doing nothing.

[Juventus3]

Originally Posted by Kool Keef

I'm not an environmentalist, but I'm sure my carbon footprint along with everyone else on this board is a lot less than any of the morons performing. Yet somehow we commoners are the ones who have to sacrifice when many of the artists will continue to live their lavish lifestyle.

This event will do nothing but make a bunch of pompous jackasses feel good about themselves.

But as long as we're being educated....

Actually hollywood has become one of the most environmentally friendly areas in California. But hey, you're right...all celebrities are automaticallly morons. You almost sound jealous of their success...Did fallout boy steal your song?

[CaptainCraig]

To the people that think the concert is a bad idea this is what I have to say.

"A Climate in Crisis" statement maybe a stretch for our climate, but other countries are in crisis right now. My question to you is what happens when the climate which we live in is in a serious crisis were we have serious droughts, lack of water and other related disasters? Just because it isn't effecting you right now, you can figure that the event has no purpose & it is just to make these performers feel strong about themselves. Wake up, actually now that I say that I am starting to see your point. You are who they are trying to reach and it obviously isn't working so it is a waste a time... It is people like you that are ignore the issues & do little to protect the environment that a add up the majority of the problem. Shame on you!! Start respecting the planet or it won't respect you!

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by CaptainCraig

To the people that think the concert is a bad idea this is what I have to say.

"A Climate in Crisis" statement maybe a stretch for our climate, but other countries are in crisis right now. My question to you is what happens when the climate which we live in is in a serious crisis were we have serious droughts, lack of water and other related disasters? Just because it isn't effecting you right now, you can figure that the event has no purpose & it is just to make these performers feel strong about themselves. Wake up, actually now that I say that I am starting to see your point. You are who they are trying to reach and it obviously isn't working so it is a waste a time... It is people like you that are ignore the issues & do little to protect the environment that a add up the majority of the problem. Shame on you!! Start respecting the planet or it won't respect you!

Sir, you are still completely missing the point of what we are all saying here. Good intentions are pointless if all you are providing is a giant demonstration of hypocracy.

The entire Live Earth event is probably one of the most polluting events happening on planet earth on July 7th, 2007. In the long term, few people will have their minds changed by a concert of a mish-mash of artists with songs that have nothing to do with global warming. I find it insulting to my intelligence that some people seem to have elevated global warming to the point of an incontravertible religion.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by Juventus3

Actually hollywood has become one of the most environmentally friendly areas in California. But hey, you're right...all celebrities are automaticallly morons. You almost sound jealous of their success...Did fallout boy steal your song?

I would bet that the majority of celebrities with their jetsetting lifestyles do contribute more CO2 to the atmosphere than the vast majority of posters here. They are rock stars, not politicans or experts in the field, so really why should I care what fallout boy has to say about the issue.

Originally Posted by CaptainCraig

To the people that think the concert is a bad idea this is what I have to say.

"A Climate in Crisis" statement maybe a stretch for our climate, but other countries are in crisis right now. My question to you is what happens when the climate which we live in is in a serious crisis were we have serious droughts, lack of water and other related disasters? Just because it isn't effecting you right now, you can figure that the event has no purpose & it is just to make these performers feel strong about themselves. Wake up, actually now that I say that I am starting to see your point. You are who they are trying to reach and it obviously isn't working so it is a waste a time... It is people like you that are ignore the issues & do little to protect the environment that a add up the majority of the problem. Shame on you!! Start respecting the planet or it won't respect you!

Just a heads up you might want to reword that because that is oddly worded.

Past that how do you know what I do to help the enviroment. I drive a fuel efficient car, recycle the majority of my waste including compost, grow some of my own food, etc, etc. Just because I think a rock concert is a stupid way to get people to change their behaviours over the long term doesn't mean I am a bad person, it means I am a realist.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

biggest polluter = live earth

The entire Live Earth event is probably one of the most polluting events happening on planet earth on July 7th, 2007.

Where did you pull that stat from? Your ass?

Of all the activity that is going on in the world today, a few rock concerts don't even come close to being the top polluter.

[CaptainCraig]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Where did you pull that stat from? Your ass?

Of all the activity that is going on in the world today, a few rock concerts don't even come close to being the top polluter.

STRONGLY AGREE

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Where did you pull that stat from? Your ass?

Of all the activity that is going on in the world today, a few rock concerts don't even come close to being the top polluter.

For while the organisers' commitment to save the planet is genuine, the very process of putting on such a vast event, with more than 150 performers jetting around the world to appear in concerts from Tokyo to Hamburg, is surely an exercise in hypocrisy on a grand scale. Matt Bellamy, front man of the rock band Muse, has dubbed it 'private jets for climate change'. A Daily Mail investigation has revealed that far from saving the planet, the extravaganza will generate a huge fuel bill, acres of garbage, thousands of tonnes of carbon emissions, and a mileage total equal to the movement of an army.

The most conservative assessment of the flights being taken by its superstars is that they are flying an extraordinary 222,623.63 miles between them to get to the various concerts - nearly nine times the circumference of the world. The true environmental cost, as they transport their technicians, dancers and support staff, is likely to be far higher.

The total carbon footprint of the event, taking into account the artists' and spectators' travel to the concert, and the energy consumption on the day, is likely to be at least 31,500 tonnes of carbon emissions, according to John Buckley of Carbonfootprint.com, who specialises in such calculations.

Throw in the television audience and it comes to a staggering 74,500 tonnes. In comparison, the average Briton produces ten tonnes in a year.

The concert will also generate some 1,025 tonnes of waste at the concert stadiums - much of which will go directly into landfill sites. An event of this size at Wembley - which holds 65,000 at a rock concert, will generate around 59 tonnes of waste," she says. "That is largely composed of the rubbish from food and drink consumption."


She found that a Wembley-sized football match generated an 'ecological footprint' of 3,000 global hectares - an area the size of 4,166 football pitches. This is the amount of bioproductive land required to absorb the C02 emissions produced by such an event. The concert organisers are preaching carbon neutrality - but isn't that just a guilt-free excuse? Dr Collins estimates that the global audience for Live Earth will generate some 1,025 tonnes of waste. Travel forms the vast majority of the 'carbon footprint' talked of by ecological campaigners - contributing up to 90 per cent of the environmental 'cost'.

Collins says: "It is patently absurd to claim that travel of this nature doesn't have an impact. Each person attending the event will have to make a return journey to the venue, be it by air, rail, bus or car. This burns fossil fuel - precisely what we are trying to reduce.

"There is also the environmental cost of these artists flying around the world - that is absolutely huge."

Indeed, an audit of the lifestyles of the A-list performers appearing at Live Earth, reveals that they are among the worst individual polluters in the world, as their world tours and private jets billow thousands of tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere every year. One hour in a Gulfstream jet burns as much fuel as driving a family car for a year.

The Daily Mail has found that five of the top performing acts together have an annual output of almost 2,000 carbon tonnes. Madonna alone has an annual carbon footprint of 1,018 tonnes, according to John Buckley. John Rego, the environmental director of Live Earth, says he expects to purchase at least 3,000 tonnes of carbon credits to off-set the event. It is believed the organisers will spend in excess of £1million on carbon offsetting to counter criticism.

[MelBridgeman]

It has been estimated that between the actual concerts, web streaming and television broadcasting, the Live Earth concert series could produce as much as 200,000 metric tons of carbon, after the conversions from electricity have been calculated.

For the LiveEarth concerts, local airports are expected to be filled with luxury private aircraft ? aircraft that have used large quantities of fuel and polluted the skies for the sake of the environment. A single Gulfstream IV jet burns 5,000 pounds of fuel in the first hour of flight and 3,000 pounds of fuel every additional hour, according to the National Atmospheric and Oceanic Administration, a U.S. government agency.

instruments, microphones, lights and the stage itself. A single band alone can require an army of heavy duty trucks to move the equipment. By example, last year?s European tour of legendary rock band, The Who, required 1,000 flight cases to load and unload equipment
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[Juventus3]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

Sir, you are still completely missing the point of what we are all saying here. Good intentions are pointless if all you are providing is a giant demonstration of hypocracy.

The entire Live Earth event is probably one of the most polluting events happening on planet earth on July 7th, 2007. In the long term, few people will have their minds changed by a concert of a mish-mash of artists with songs that have nothing to do with global warming. I find it insulting to my intelligence that some people seem to have elevated global warming to the point of an incontravertible religion.

I find it insulting that you treat this problem as if it's not important. If you don't want to help take care of this planet, maybe go find another one.

...Considering how generally liberal this board's views are, I am shocked at the complete disregard to this issue. A lot of you are walking around with your noses in the air saying 'I wont change until everyone else does'. Good plan. Don't forget to appologize to your grandchildren.

So what if this event is causing more pollution than if it wasn't happening? That's like saying I'm not going to eat because I'll just crap it out later anyways.

[CaptainCraig]

Well when I see these stats I start to see your opinion.... I do apologize for saying "Shame on you" but I was frustrated, just like when I see someone litter, or idle there vehicle for an hour in the winter.... I am from a small mountain town so the protecting my environment is in my blood. Thanks for the stats, regardless it has been a good show as I am a music lover.