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[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Jesus christ dude. Step back.

Because I have a different opinion than you and some others? Who died and made you God that people can't voice a difference of opinion. Be better. Your constant high horse posts get old.

[chummer]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Because I have a different opinion than you and some others? Who died and made you God that people can't voice a difference of opinion. Be better. Your constant high horse posts get old.

What about that promise you made you would never talk about Huska again?

Keep your word ffs.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by chummer

What about that promise you made you would never talk about Huska again?

Keep your word ffs.

I didn't say that. I said I would walk away from the convo at that time. Reading comprehension a strong skill of yours huh?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Because I have a different opinion than you and some others? Who died and made you God that people can't voice a difference of opinion. Be better. Your constant high horse posts get old.

No because of this:

"People who believe this reminds me of people believing Trump that his tariffs are helping the US economy."

First - it's just a wild comparison to make.
Second - you lose your crap at people that disagree with you, attacking them viciously.
Third - there is ample evidence that Huska isn't a terrible coach like you make him out to be. Namely the most important evidence: their record which is better than most projected. So to suggest that people that think Huska isn't a bad coach are like people that are ignoring the damage Trump is doing to the economy is just a f'n wild take. Just on a relative scale, whether or not Huska is a good coach v. views on what is happening with Trump is just not a line that should be drawn.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

No because of this:

"People who believe this reminds me of people believing Trump that his tariffs are helping the US economy."

First - it's just a wild comparison to make.
Second - you lose your crap at people that disagree with you, attacking them viciously.
Third - there is ample evidence that Huska isn't a terrible coach like you make him out to be. Namely the most important evidence: their record which is better than most projected. So to suggest that people that think Huska isn't a bad coach are like people that are ignoring the damage Trump is doing to the economy is just a f'n wild take. Just on a relative scale, whether or not Huska is a good coach v. views on what is happening with Trump is just not a line that should be drawn.

I was using people buying into Trump as an example. I could have used anyo e who is good at talking people into things that are false there. I certainly was not accusing people of being as stupid as MAGA and that was probably a poor example on my part. Their record when supported by statistics clearly shows this roster is vastly underperforming except for goaltending which is over performing. I am not going to try and convince you otherwise because you said in an earlier post you believe this forward group is on par with San Jose which is just mind boggling to me. You know what would be nice? If people could discuss hockey on here, voice differing opinions, and not have that turn into a pile on by the people in disagreement. You are never going to stop the fly by posters but it is what it is.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I was using people buying into Trump as an example. I could have used anyo e who is good at talking people into things that are false there. I certainly was not accusing people of being as stupid as MAGA and that was probably a poor example on my part. Their record when supported by statistics clearly shows this roster is vastly underperforming except for goaltending which is over performing. I am not going to try and convince you otherwise because you said in an earlier post you believe this forward group is on par with San Jose which is just mind boggling to me. You know what would be nice? If people could discuss hockey on here, voice differing opinions, and not have that turn into a pile on by the people in disagreement. You are never going to stop the fly by posters but it is what it is.

Can you point to any actual statistics that show they’re vastly underperforming?

Because a handful of veterans have had their best or second best seasons of their career offensively under Huska, a guy like Huberdeau has turned the corner under him (and is on pace for one of the highest goal totals in his career), and both young guys and former tweeners are vastly over performing against expectations.

I appreciate that you have some unshakeable grudge against the guy, but I don’t think there’s anything to back up the notion that he’s a bad coach. A young NHL coach in his first stint with things to learn yet still? Sure.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Can you point to any actual statistics that show they’re vastly underperforming?

Because a handful of veterans have had their best or second best seasons of their career offensively under Huska, a guy like Huberdeau has turned the corner under him (and is on pace for one of the highest goal totals in his career), and both young guys and former tweeners are vastly over performing against expectations.

I appreciate that you have some unshakeable grudge against the guy, but I don’t think there’s anything to back up the notion that he’s a bad coach. A young NHL coach in his first stint with things to learn yet still? Sure.

Post #144. The only thing he didn't add is 32 in GF. I don't have any grudge against Huska at all, he seems like a very likeable guy. I am just tired of the narrative he is a good coach when the team is bad in every aspect but goaltending. I am also tired of the narrative that this team lacks talent, they don't have that big name superstar but they have plenty of guys that can generate offence. They don't generate that offence though because the system does not allow for it. Statistically they can't score, they give up lots of high danger chances, and they struggle in special teams. They are abysmal 3 on 3 and the shootout and there is some serious questions about what players are being deployed in those situations.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

The fact that any Flames fan anywhere thinks this team is actually underperforming is wild.

Expectations for a pretty bad team are out of whack, me thinks. This should be a bottom 5 team.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

People who believe this reminds me of people believing Trump that his tariffs are helping the US economy. I mean all the evidence in the world can be there that the coaching has been poor statistically and that the roster is deep and not nearly as bad as the numbers suggest and yet some people refuse to believe what is clearly right in front of them. He is a nice guy and a great communicator though so there is that.

I don't really understand the comparison to Trump and his tariffs. That is crazy to me.

But I don't think the roster is as deep or talented as you do. Where are these talented players you speak of? On defense we have Weegar who is a solid top pairing dman. We also have Anderrson and Bahl who are fine 2nd line dmen, though Bahl doesn't have much offensive upside. Pachal is a solid 3rd line pairing. Hanley and Bean are probably #7/8 dmen on most NHL teams.

On forward Kadri is a 2nd liner on most teams, Huberdeau as well. Coronato and Zary have great potential and are probably 2nd liners right now, Zary has been struggling since the injury. Backlund is a declining third line center. Frost, Coleman, Farabee, Sharangovich, Pospisil are probably all 3rd liners at best. Frost you could maybe argue as a #2 with potential. The rest are 4th liners.

So my argument is where exactly is all of this talent that the coach is holding back? How do you expect us to counter an elite dman like Hughes and elite talent like Petterson when he shows up in overtime? We have nothing comparable to the talent of those 2 players when they are at their best.

It is a miracle we are in a playoff spot. And the team plays very hard most nights, which I think is an indicator of good coaching.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I am also tired of the narrative that this team lacks talent, they don't have that big name superstar but they have plenty of guys that can generate offence.

:w 00t::w00 t:

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

People who believe this reminds me of people believing Trump that his tariffs are helping the US economy. I mean all the evidence in the world can be there that the coaching has been poor statistically and that the roster is deep and not nearly as bad as the numbers suggest and yet some people refuse to believe what is clearly right in front of them. He is a nice guy and a great communicator though so there is that.

Personally I'm just tired of blaming coaches for everything.

Since Sutter became a full time GM in 2006:
Playfair - 1 season, rookie coach. From all accounts everyone loved him, and he was a genius as an assistant. He still got out coached as the HC.

Keenan - 2 seasons. Apparently Iron Mike was going soft in his old age, and he wasn't hard enough on the players. Playfair was the one drawing up all the plays.

B. Sutter - 3 seasons. The team simply couldn't buy a goal, playing good defense but a pretty uninspired brand of hockey.

*Rebuild*
Hartley - 4 seasons. Won the Adams. Had the Flames giving up the blueline and a lot of grade A changes against in transition. He was hated by the vets. Made Kipper quit hockey, did a number on Sarich and Baertschi.

Gulutzan - Mr. D2D, he just couldn't get the team playing with any consistency, or get a complete buy in. The transition game was way too slow and uninspired.

*Back to relevancy*
Peters - 2 seasons. A great season winning the conference followed by a season of inconsistency. His past racist remarks had him out of the league.

Ward - 1 season. Again had the team playing slow, and uninspired hockey. Another good assistant that was getting out coached.

D. Sutter - 3 seasons. Won the Adams. Had the Flames playing great hockey for a season. Then goaltending and OTL/SOLs did him in. When the results weren't there half the players quit on him. He couldn't get much offense out of Huberdeau or Lindholm.

So were all those coaches terrible, or did the Flames players deserve some of the blame?

Huska - 2 seasons. His first year was a bit of a write-off. The team was still dealing with the fallout from Sutter being fired, and Tre moving on. It was built on a bunch of UFAs that were ready to move on from the Flames. They were still in the playoff race until they absolutely gutted their D core.

*Rebuild/Retool 2.0*
This season the Flames started at the cap floor, being close to $20M under the cap. This the most buy-in I've seen from a Flames locker room since 2004. The Flames should be a bottom feeder, but they defy expectations thanks to a hardworking brand of hockey and great goaltending. The Flames still need more offense, better defense, and improve on both the PK and PP. It's just hard to accomplish with both Hanley and Bahl in your top 4, and Backlund is having a down season. In fact the Flames don't have a player that is top 20 C, top 20 LW, top 20 RW, or a top 20D in the league. The only Star on this team is Wolf.

Finally, I was curious if you had a Huska replacement in mind. Which coach wants to coach Calgary, and is a clear upgrade on Huska?

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Because I have a different opinion than you and some others? Who died and made you God that people can't voice a difference of opinion. Be better. Your constant high horse posts get old.

Pot meet kettle lol. Although, you are entitled to your opinion.

You do seem to hold a huge grudge against Huska. I think we could win a Stanley Cup and you would still be crapping on him and making threads on how we need a new coach in the off season.

[combustiblefuel]

Is this calgarypuck or hfboards


Y'all sound like teens arguing for 3 plus years now. Between forced ads and the quality of debate .
Eagerly waiting for the " If you don't like it goes somewhere else post. "

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Is this calgarypuck or hfboards


Y'all sound like teens arguing for 3 plus years now. Between forced ads and the quality of debate .
Eagerly waiting for the " If you don't like it goes somewhere else post. "

You must be new here.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Post #144. The only thing he didn't add is 32 in GF. I don't have any grudge against Huska at all, he seems like a very likeable guy. I am just tired of the narrative he is a good coach when the team is bad in every aspect but goaltending. I am also tired of the narrative that this team lacks talent, they don't have that big name superstar but they have plenty of guys that can generate offence. They don't generate that offence though because the system does not allow for it. Statistically they can't score, they give up lots of high danger chances, and they struggle in special teams. They are abysmal 3 on 3 and the shootout and there is some serious questions about what players are being deployed in those situations.

There is not a single word in post #144 that backs up the claim that they are underperforming. It simply lists a bunch of stats that suggest they aren't that good. Pretty much everyone, except you and a handful of others, agree that they are not very good.

I do agree with you that the Flames have depth. They lack offensive punch, and that shows up in the lack of goals for, but their depth allows them to play a solid two-way game. And that manifests itself in their goals against, which is pretty decent. They are hard to play against - something pretty much every coach in the league agrees with.

They play the way they need to play, in order to be competitive.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

There is not a single word in post #144 that backs up the claim that they are underperforming. It simply lists a bunch of stats that suggest they aren't that good. Pretty much everyone, except you and a handful of others, agree that they are not very good.

I do agree with you that the Flames have depth. They lack offensive punch, and that shows up in the lack of goals for, but their depth allows them to play a solid two-way game. And that manifests itself in their goals against, which is pretty decent. They are hard to play against - something pretty much every coach in the league agrees with.

They play the way they need to play, in order to be competitive.

Yup and depth is great, but if the other team's best players are better than your best players - that's going to be a lot of tough nights.

Go back the last 10 games, and ask how many games did the Flames have the best forward or best dman in the lineup. The answer is almost never. Often the other teams have 3-5 players better than the Flames best player (ignoring the goalie)

[Shazam]

Are the Flames as bad as Sodium Benzoate?

[Jason14h]

This from the guy who thought Kuzmenko could be a 100pt player

No wonder he thinks the Flames are underperforming offensively !

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Post #144. The only thing he didn't add is 32 in GF. I don't have any grudge against Huska at all, he seems like a very likeable guy. I am just tired of the narrative he is a good coach when the team is bad in every aspect but goaltending. I am also tired of the narrative that this team lacks talent, they don't have that big name superstar but they have plenty of guys that can generate offence. They don't generate that offence though because the system does not allow for it. Statistically they can't score, they give up lots of high danger chances, and they struggle in special teams. They are abysmal 3 on 3 and the shootout and there is some serious questions about what players are being deployed in those situations.

I tire of the narrative that you continually throw out that the only reason people think Huska is a good coach is because he comes across well in interviews. Very few posters, if any, state that as a reason for their appreciation of his ability as a coach yet you bring it up constantly as the stance of those who disagree with you.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Yup and depth is great, but if the other team's best players are better than your best players - that's going to be a lot of tough nights.

Go back the last 10 games, and ask how many games did the Flames have the best forward or best dman in the lineup. The answer is almost never. Often the other teams have 3-5 players better than the Flames best player (ignoring the goalie)

Yes, go down the list of players on each team and at every spot except goaltender the other team has an advantage most nights. Especially PO teams.