American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Not true, they've declared wars on drugs, terrorism, paper straws, and all sorts of things.

So what you're saying is, as long as the US declares war on us, we're pretty certain to win.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Not true, they've declared wars on drugs, terrorism, paper straws, and all sorts of things.

common decency & empathy

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

So what you're saying is, as long as the US declares war on us, we're pretty certain to win.

They don't have a lot of successes under their belt, do they?

[Cube Inmate]

Military or otherwise, "national service" is something I'd support as a parent of 2 directionless kids. It would have been great for my own growth as well, even if I didn't know it at the time.

It doesn't have to be "mandatory" per se, because surely our courts would strike something like that down. But it could maybe be incentivized by attaching certain lifelong benefits to completing service.

There'll never be a better time to try to get the ball rolling.

[Harry Lime]

There wouldn't be a protracted military conflict with the US. Canadabwould be occupied. But I think that Canadians have much longer memories than Americans. It would lead to generations of Canadian civilians killing American civilians. It would be ugly for a very long time

[WideReceiver]

If the U.S. attacked, Canada would fold fast. I don’t know if other countries would come to our aid. I think this is unlikely but the chance that it could and Congress likely wouldn’t stop him terrifies me. We’ll be overseas soon for a few weeks and I hope we’ll be able to return to a country that’s not at war. (I can’t believe I’ve typed this.)

[Sainters7]

I posed this same question last year here when we were talking about Canada's international security, by asking "But what if the U.S. itself turns crazy and comes for us?" I recall the general vibe of the replies being that we'd basically wake up to American flags instead of Canadian ones, and it'd be fairly smooth and overall nothing to really worry too much about. Almost like a larger business conglomerate buying the company you work for.

Now that it's actually a potentially real possibility, I find the vibe being more resistant, and perhaps bloodier than that. We shall see...well we probably won't, I still have a hard time believing it'll actually get to that point. But the fact we can actually debate it as a potentially real possibility is unsettling.

[Geraldsh]

Those without a firearms acquisition license better apply now, it takes a while to get one. Or we can smuggle some guns in from the great USA.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

It's also easy to say we'll get crushed when we aren't staring down occupation and/or death and it's only a hypothetical. Desperate people tend to go to lengths their non-desperate opposition won't. Also worth remembering an invasion scenario leaves the US open to it's own civil war as Trump will still be extremely hated and a heavily armed US populace will have an opening to inflict heavy damage. Never mind China, Russia and everyone else who'd love to arm us and/or an American insurgency to help destroy the US. Like Iraq and Afghanistan we can make it so ugly for the US they eventually just leave.

End of the day, let's just hope the ####er dies already. Can't imagine the global celebrations on the day his death is announced.

This is well said. Our military wouldn't be able to hold off an invasion of a land mass as big as Canada, and their country would be totally divided if they invaded.

But during occupation, desperate people will fight back - and the Americans would eventually leave not knowing what they were here for in the first place.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Geraldsh

Those without a firearms acquisition license better apply now, it takes a while to get one. Or we can smuggle some guns in from the great USA.

The Russian, Chinese or Iranian arms dealers won't give a #### about who has a license or not. Even freelance American arms dealers will sell to us.

As long as you have $700 you get a Kalashnikov.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Trump is treating the USA like private equity firms did Red Lobster. He thinks he’s Gordon ####ing Gecko and the federal government is blue star airlines.

Sell all government land, parks, buildings, fire all gov employees, when the government crumbles privatize everything by giving the contracts to his masters at twice the price for half the service.

It’s basically funnelling tax payer dollars directly to the ruling class.

[The Big Chill]

It’s just beyond ####ing insane that the conversation has come down to defending ourselves from invasion. I genuinely can’t understand how US citizens have let this happen.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by WideReceiver

If the U.S. attacked, Canada would fold fast. I don’t know if other countries would come to our aid. I think this is unlikely but the chance that it could and Congress likely wouldn’t stop him terrifies me. We’ll be overseas soon for a few weeks and I hope we’ll be able to return to a country that’s not at war. (I can’t believe I’ve typed this.)

No we wouldn’t.

Especially post Oval Office meeting… we have a ton of allies right now. And lots of countries are scared.

[scotty2hotty]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

There wouldn't be a protracted military conflict with the US. Canadabwould be occupied. But I think that Canadians have much longer memories than Americans. It would lead to generations of Canadian civilians killing American civilians. It would be ugly for a very long time

Agreed. Think 1970s Northern Ireland.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Anyone serious about fighting off an American invasion (which remains a remote possibility) should be campaigning for universal military service of the sort standard in Europe during the Cold War: 12-24 months of mandatory enrolment served between the age of 18 and 22, and periodic month-long refresher enrolment by older men.

That’s what a country serious about fighting off foreign invasion would do. For all the defiance Canadians are feeling today, count me as skeptical that mandatory military service would be welcomed by the electorate.

Welcomed or not, I wonder if it would be a net positive for the next generations in terms of personal growth and societal cohesion.

[Yamer]

What are the chances the US Armed Forces would actually comply with an invasion? Would it be more likely there would be a military coup?

Legitimate questions. I can't see a seasoned commander rationally agreeing to invade a non-aggressive ally.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Yamer

What are the chances the US Armed Forces would actually comply with an invasion? Would it be more likely there would be a military coup?

Legitimate questions. I can't see a seasoned commander rationally agreeing to invade a non-aggressive ally.

At this point, 99%

"Chain of command" allowed people to mentally justify putting millions of people in ovens. This is nothing in comparison

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Yamer

What are the chances the US Armed Forces would actually comply with an invasion? Would it be more likely there would be a military coup?

Legitimate questions. I can't see a seasoned commander rationally agreeing to invade a non-aggressive ally.

Can you see one saying no to a fascist government with unchecked power????

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Geraldsh

Those without a firearms acquisition license better apply now, it takes a while to get one. Or we can smuggle some guns in from the great USA.

The nice thing about being invaded is you don't need to worry about pesky things like laws and regulations. The issue would only be this shortage of guns issue we have in Canada. Fortunately potato canons aren't too hard to make, so I just need to stock up on hair spray and get planting.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by nik-

At this point, 99%

"Chain of command" allowed people to mentally justify putting millions of people in ovens. This is nothing in comparison

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Can you see one saying no to a fascist government with unchecked power????

It happened recently, and unsuccessfully, in Russia. Although I suppose that's different because it was a private military force.

And this isn't a war of ideology or genocide. It's a straight-up modern invasion of an independent ally.

I could see a real possibility of a military professional risking treason to stop the insanity. Maybe I'm naive, but I don't think the US Forces would fall as easily in line as they did in Russia, which was an already established dictatorship.