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View Poll Results: When will Ovechkin break Gretzky's goal scoring record?
This season 162 55.48%
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Old 03-06-2025, 12:24 PM   #401
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Washington plays in Winnipeg 10 games from now. Will Gretzky show up if OV is 1 or 2 away?
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Old 03-06-2025, 01:06 PM   #402
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Washington plays in Winnipeg 10 games from now. Will Gretzky show up if OV is 1 or 2 away?
Friedman was talking about how the NHL already has big plans ready for when OV breaks the record. If I recall correctly, he mentioned that as OV gets closer to the record (maybe like 3 or 4 goals away), a crew will be following the Caps to every game to capture all of the moments. I imagine Gretzky might be there with that crew?
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Friedman was talking about how the NHL already has big plans ready for when OV breaks the record. If I recall correctly, he mentioned that as OV gets closer to the record (maybe like 3 or 4 goals away), a crew will be following the Caps to every game to capture all of the moments. I imagine Gretzky might be there with that crew?
Only if the games in the USA so he can wear his maga hat.
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Old 03-06-2025, 02:22 PM   #404
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But how do we celebrate Ovechkin so much when he's such a strong Putin advocate?

genuine question! and hello all, been watching this forum since I was 21, 19 years ago. It's been fun.
This is a great quest, thanks for asking. Given the current political climate I think it's worth examining what we do when something we love is created by somebody we consider to be a bad person.

Ultimately it's whatever lets you sleep at night. If you can separate sports / entertainment from politics, great, just do that. Some might argue that being able to do so comes from a place of privilege, that you can only ignore the bad things the artist does because they don't affect you. That is true to a certain extent, it's much easier to ignore support for Putin here than in Ukraine. Still we all deserve entertainment and escapism, so if somebody in Ukraine loves hockey and wants to see the all time scoring record broken, who are we to judge them? And if we're not judging them, why should we judge you?

Still, many people want to do more than that. Here's some ways they do so.

Raising Awareness / Slactivism / Virtue Signaling
What you call this depends on your perspective, but the basic idea is just talking about the issue. Saying things like "No matter what you think about Ovechkin's support of Putin, this goal is amazing!", or even asking the question you did. Letting people know about the problems surrounding the individual in question. Great when it sparks discussion like this, but can also feel draining when every conversation around somebody comes with caveats. Also you might get accused of grand standing if all you do is talk, and never back it up with action, or performative activism if you only talk about the latest trends. Still, introducing new people to an issue they weren't aware of is valuable, jut watch out for echo chambers.

Ethical Consumption / Boycotting / Canceling
Once again, lots of different terms for overlapping ideas. This is voting with your wallet, and (when combined with the above) encouraging others to do the same. It comes from the feeling that you cannot justify giving your money to somebody you consider bad. This can be as simple as refusing to purchase a Ovechkin jersey, or doing business with companies that sponsor him. Maybe you stop watching Capitals games in hopes of lowering advertising value. You can even try to stop giving the NHL any money, canceling all your subscriptions and TV packages, and avoiding all sports bars that show the game, and stop purchasing from any of their sponsors for so long as they continue to employee him or other bad individuals (good luck with that). Unfortunately you as an individual are a drop in the bucket, and any choices you make as an individual does not affect their bottom line.

A couple extra notes on this topic. First, Piracy. A lot of people will vote with their wallet by deciding to still consume the media of people they dislike, but pirate it instead of pay for it. This does feel better, but can often be just as harmful. If you have an author you dislike because of how they treat a marginalized community, don't pay for their work, but still participate in their fandom and and community, to those marginalized individuals you still appear to be supporting that author. It is better to spend your money on works created by members of that community, and your time promoting them. Secondly, this form of thinking is inherently capitalist in nature, tying your value to what people are willing to pay you, and giving value to anything you spend money on. So ethical consumption may not matter to individuals and communities who do not share that form of thinking.

Actual Activism
This is spending time taking actions to counteract whatever bad the individual is doing. This could be supporting Ukraine refugees, organizing protests, getting involved in politics, or smaller things like calling your representatives, or organizing a book club. The best way to counteract bad in the world is to do good. We might not have the reach or scope of the problematic artists we oppose, but there are a lot more of us.

Focusing on a Different Issue
There are too many bad people doing too many bad things out there to worry about all of them. It's best to focus on a few issues rather than try to handle everything. If you're busy helping house the homeless, or supporting those losing their rights under a changing government, or making sure students aren't going hungry, you don't have to spend energy worrying about Ovechkin. In fact it's better not to. We can't have everybody who is trying to make the world a better place burn out because they've spread themselves too thin trying to fix too many problems.


So how do you celebrate Ovechkin so much when he's such a strong Putin advocate? That's up to you.

For me, I enjoy him as a hockey player and the entertainment of the goal race. I will celebrate when he beats Gretzky's record because it is a great achievement, and Edmonton is No Good. What I will not do is support his political views, share them or give them a platform. Generally I feel that Ukraine has broad global support, and there is no need for me to spend my energy to further that. Right now I'm focusing on broadening my views and the views of those I interact with through sharing well researched articles from researchers and independent journalists on topics of AI, Trans Health and Gaza. I wish I had the time and energy to do more, but have my own mental health and the health of my partner to prioritize at the moment.

I hope this didn't get too political for the hockey discussion. I tried to keep it unbiased, but am very left leaning myself (if the capitalism comment didn't give it away).
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Old 03-06-2025, 05:22 PM   #405
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Ovechkin is Russian. He’s a Putin supporter.
Gretzky is a Canadian, a traitor.

To me one is much worse. One feels personal. One feels betrayal.

To each their own, but that is my feelings on the issue.

If Gretzky doesn’t have the balls to show up to Winnipeg because he’s afraid of being booed, maybe he should send his wife or ask Trump to go for him, just like he did with the messages being released about his Maga support while he hid away.
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Has Gretzky lived in the US longer than he lived in Canada?
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Has Gretzky lived in the US longer than he lived in Canada?
It isn't even close. He never moved back to Canada after being traded to LA almost 37 years ago. He was only 27 at the time of the trade. Like most successful Canadians, he chose to move to the USA for a better life.
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Absolute beauty!

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Old 03-07-2025, 12:59 AM   #410
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I love Ovie. I think he's awesome, and if you watch him around people off the ice, he gives off a super chill and honestly good-guy vibe.

Obviously I don't actually know him personally, nor have I ever even met him, but I don't recall very many (if any) bad stories/incidents with him involved.

As for the Putin thing, it's been said many times by many people... Ovie still has a lot of family in Russia, and Putin is a very (as we all know) vindictive person. I don't mind if he has to keep Putin happy by tweeting some garbage here and there. I'd would do the same thing to keep my family from harm.
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It is completely fair to bring the Putin/Trump discussion here given the political climate globally. So I don't scold anyone for it.

But it's tiring.

So anyway, he is 9 away now with 18 games to go. Needs to score at 0.5 pace to do it this season.

If he wants to break the record in fewer games than Wayne (13 to go) he needs to score at a 0.69 pace or better. His career average is .601 goals per game.
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I always thought the on ice banter was adversarial, that’s cool from Trocheck.

Really hope Ovie gets a good tail wind these next 13 games.
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It isn't even close. He never moved back to Canada after being traded to LA almost 37 years ago. He was only 27 at the time of the trade. Like most successful Canadians, he chose to move to the USA for a better life.
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Old 03-11-2025, 10:42 PM   #414
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Damn, heard that good guy OV had an empty net but passed it to Protas to get him his hat trick
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It isn't even close. He never moved back to Canada after being traded to LA almost 37 years ago. He was only 27 at the time of the trade. Like most successful Canadians, he chose to move to the USA for a better life.
You miss 100% of the shots at trolling you dont take

US is good if you are rich and white, so I guess he fits

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Damn, heard that good guy OV had an empty net but passed it to Protas to get him his hat trick
He did. And it was hilarious watching the caps feed passes to Ovi in their own zone rather than just shoot for the empty net or clear the zone! Up by 2 on a non conference opponent is probably the right time for that.
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he did. And it was hilarious watching the caps feed passes to ovi in their own zone rather than just shoot for the empty net or clear the zone! Up by 2 on a non conference opponent is probably the right time for that.
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I mean a backhand from the blueline with a defender vs. passing to a wide open team mate with two goals...lets not give him the nobel prize or anything
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...lets not give him the nobel prize or anything
Too late, he's on his way to Oslo as we speak.
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