Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by Azure

We should consider making him Canadian ambassador to the US just to troll Trump.

That would be amazing. Notice how throughout this whole thing Trump has been basically cordial and friendly with President Sheinbaum of Mexico (at least on social media and in front of the cameras), compared to his childish, immature troll-like treatment of Trudeau. It's clear as day that he's had a burr up his arse about Justin going all the way back to 2016, probably stemming from that famous photo of Ivanka giving Trudeau the f*** me eyes.

Making Trudeau Ambassador to the U.S. would be the ultimate troll job, and I'm here for it.

[Sylvanfan]

So Carney winning the Liberal Leadership tomorrow is pretty much a forgeone conclusion?

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

So Carney winning the Liberal Leadership tomorrow is pretty much a forgeone conclusion?

It should be, unless the Liberal party wants to shoot themselves in the foot and throw away any chance they have of winning the next election

[blender]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

What you may not have taken into consideration is the treaty 9 FNs for your proposal. They appear to be significant opposition towards meaningful development projects.

A smart Federal government will work with indigenous peoples to benefit everyone.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by blender

A smart Federal government will work with indigenous peoples to benefit everyone.

This is not as simple as you make it seem. Each FN needs to be negotiated with independently. And just like the rest of Canada, each has its own internal political faction with their own interests and agendas, which change depending on who is in power atm. Getting unanimous buy-in in a reasonable timeline is far from easy.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

This is not as simple as you make it seem. Each FN needs to be negotiated with independently. And just like the rest of Canada, each has its own internal political faction with their own interests and agendas, which change depending on who is in power atm. Getting unanimous buy-in in a reasonable timeline is far from easy.

Actually, it’s basically impossible, which is why the theory doesn’t work.

To build a project, some people will inevitably be against it. This is why we can’t build anything anymore in this country, because we for some reason think 40,000,000 people need to be aligned on everything and are surprised when projects have opposition.

Gotta break a few eggs to get anything done, it’s simply reality.

[Fuzz]

They don't need necessarily need to be aligned(we've seen the government use the RCMP to allow industry to build), but they do need to be consulted. No, you will never get everyone to agree, but that's pretty widely accepted as not the goal, and not necessary.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

They don't need necessarily need to be aligned(we've seen the government use the RCMP to allow industry to build), but they do need to be consulted. No, you will never get everyone to agree, but that's pretty widely accepted as not the goal, and not necessary.

Actually no, not in NEBC anymore. The Blueberry do actually have effective approval authority on everything now thanks to the Canadian Supreme Court and provincial government’s weakness and unwillingness to do anything about it.

It’s not “consultation” (let’s be honest please- extortion as somehow money solves all problems). It’s approval.

[Fuzz]

Sure, ya there are some unique situations, but for the most part I think my comment was on track. But are you just arguing we should have done a more complete job of stealing their land?

[flamesfever]

I have always thought that in Canada the government have the right to expropriate land for the best interests of the people, provided they compensate the landowner.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

I have always thought that in Canada the government have the right to expropriate land for the best interests of the people, provided they compensate the landowner.

I dont know what the Law is, but it was stolen fair and square! Whatever the Statute of Limitations is for Grand Larceny must have passed so Canada should be able to do whatever they want with it!

[GGG]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

I have always thought that in Canada the government have the right to expropriate land for the best interests of the people, provided they compensate the landowner.

Well the First Nations made treaties with the Queen nation to nation so it’s a different legal framework than Government to Citizens.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by GGG

Well the First Nations made treaties with the Queen nation to nation so it’s a different legal framework than Government to Citizens.

Canada should do whatever they want and if the First Nations have a problem with it they can take it up with England!

Let King Chuck make the reparations, they're technically the ones who stole it!

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Locke

Canada should do whatever they want and if the First Nations have a problem with it they can take it up with England!

Let King Chuck make the reparations, they're technically the ones who stole it!

Canada doing whatever they want has been that status quo.

[Sylvanfan]

You have 3 levels of governments that are always in flux. That's a lot of people who need bribes...no wonder nothing gets built. By the time you get the folks you need greased to support you...they're gone.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Canada doing whatever they want has been that status quo.

It was until the 70s. For the last 50 years relations have been negotiated by Land Claims agreements, resource-sharing, and self-government.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

It was until the 70s. For the last 50 years relations have been negotiated by Land Claims agreements, resource-sharing, and self-government.

On paper maybe. In practice, most improvements haven't come until the 2010s.

[rubecube]

Gotta agree with what others have said so far regarding Trudeau. Up until the last few months, he was probably going to go down as a pretty middling PM.

However, with the way he's handled two different Trump terms and the pandemic, I think history will look back on his tenure pretty kindly.

[Coach]

It's annoying that politicians always start acting like themselves with a DGAF attitude right before they leave, and people tend to like them a lot better. Just be like this the whole time.

But agreed, I haven't been a big fan of Trudeau overall, but when the time has come to step up and lead, he has. And it's been in pretty stark contrast to his American counterpart.

[blender]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

This is not as simple as you make it seem. Each FN needs to be negotiated with independently. And just like the rest of Canada, each has its own internal political faction with their own interests and agendas, which change depending on who is in power atm. Getting unanimous buy-in in a reasonable timeline is far from easy.

I certainly am not suggesting that it is simple.
I am aware of the myriad challenges involved, but in my opinion it is the only moral way to move forward, and like all negotiations, there is always a common ground; it just takes will and creativity to find it.

It is more important than ever to stay true to our principles despite the events in the US. I hear a lot of rhetoric right now about how we need to come up with a Canadian strategy to diversify our markets and consolidate our energy production in a way that benefits Canada first, and I agree wholeheartedly, but if we achieve that by foregoing indigenous rights or ignoring climate change realities, are we any different than the regime south of the border?