2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Hackey

So Calgary remains the nice cozy retirement spot where players like to cash a check rather than actually chase a cup? You didn't need to strong arm Kadri or anyone. Of course you treat people with respect. But the goal is winning a Cup and you're running a competitive sports franchise not a country club.

Imagine we handed out more money to Kadri than any other team in the league, treated him well while he played here, then ASKED him if he would be open to a trade to a contender because the organization was year 2 into a rebuild.

Nice leap.

Believe Kadri had more money on the table from Columbus or the Islanders. Perhaps both.

[Major Major]

Doing nothing was justifiable considering the unique circumstances.

The team clearly values mentorship as it looks to young players to take valuable roles. Making a drive to the playoffs would be a final chapter to that relationship.

It's a delicate balance though. This team will need to continue to prune vets. Not to become bad necessarily, but to make room for the ever growing young base of the team to flourish.

[CliffFletcher]

This was a seller’s market - the best we’ve seen in years. A record number of first round picks changed hands.

Pretty clear that Conroy wasn’t interested in selling a piece like Andersson while the team is still in a playoff hunt.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

A substantially lower return than… what?

The silliest thing about virtually any trade is the resulting comments of “Flames could have beat that” or “Flames should have offered ____ for that return” and other comments along those lines.

Just because Carlo got what he did, doesn’t mean their same or better offer was ever on the table for Andersson. Just because Jankowski got moved for a 5th doesn’t mean anyone offered the same (or anything) for Rooney. That doesn’t mean Flames players are worth more or less than any of the players moved, but trades require alignment between two GMs. And different guys have different preferences and different targets and it’s a big assumption to think these returns are all interchangeable. And that’s ignoring things like players with NMC, NTC, cap space, etc.

Even if you were like some posters here and would have traded virtually any vet for any return, that still doesn’t mean you can find a partner. I just don’t see the point in making up or over-simplifying things to justify some negative outlook on how things went down.

“The deals were obviously there.” No, the deals were there for other players. They weren’t there for every player. That’s why there’s a ton of players that weren’t moved.

Based of what some of the posters here said he wasn’t really shopped at all and teams were told he’s not being traded. Maybe that was Conroys way of driving up the price.

We will see what happens in the offseason.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

This was a seller’s market - the best we’ve seen in years. A record number of first round picks changed hands.

Pretty clear that Conroy wasn’t in interested in selling a piece like Andersson while the team is still in a playoff hunt.

Goal is to win now and in the future lol.

Boston is in the hunt as well and shipped guys out.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

This was a seller’s market - the best we’ve seen in years. A record number of first round picks changed hands.

Pretty clear that Conroy wasn’t interested in selling a piece like Andersson while the team is still in a playoff hunt.

2025 draft is no it considered to be very strong/deep.

I’m sure this also had something to do with the amount of picks moved.

[Paulie Walnuts]

2026, 2027 and 2028 1st rounders got moved as well.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Goal is to win now and in the future lol.

Boston is in the hunt as well and shipped guys out.

You could have said the same thing about the Flames last year.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by TOfan

You could have said the same thing about the Flames last year.

Not really. Carlo has 2 years left. Marchand was still negotiating a new contract he didn’t ask for a trade seems more like a favour to him to chase a cup. Coyle has a year left.

Only person with term we traded was Markstrom. The Lindholm, Tanev and Hanifin declined contract extensions. Zadorov and Toffoli got upset because we didn’t make them a priority and asked for trades.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

2026, 2027 and 2028 1st rounders got moved as well.

Okay…..

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Not really. Carlo has 2 years left. Marchand was still negotiating a new contract he didn’t ask for a trade seems more like a favour to him to chase a cup. Coyle has a year left.

Only person with term we traded was Markstrom. The Lindholm, Tanev and Hanifin declined contract extensions. Zadorov and Toffoli got upset because we didn’t make them a priority and asked for trades.

Ha. Okay.

There are more similarities than differences. But, sure, if you want to play that game, one guys name is Brad, the other guys name is Elias. So they’re different. Of course there were differences. No two situations are the exact same. Don’t be glib.

Suggest you listen to the most recent 32 Toughts. Marchand and the Bruins were not close at all on an extension.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Okay…..

You said 25 draft is not deep. More picks got dealt for future years. 26 draft is McKenna. You can be an injury away from having your season derailed.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

You said 25 draft is not deep. More picks got dealt for future years. 26 draft is McKenna. You can be an injury away from having your season derailed.

Okay, so what are you arguing?

I said 2025 draft isn’t considered to be deep and I’d bet that is a contributing factor to buyers being willing to part with them. I’d bet that was the case this year and last when 25’s were also getting moved. Every year, or at least in recent memory, picks are moved years out.

I’m struggling to understand what you’re on about here. Other than the tired ‘Flames should have sold’ position you’ve married yourself to.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Okay, so what are you arguing?

I said 2025 draft isn’t considered to be deep and I’d bet that is a contributing factor to buyers being willing to part with them. I’d bet that was the case this year and last when 35’s were also getting moved. Every year, or at least in recent memory, picks are moved years out.

I’m struggling to understand what you’re on about here. Other than the tired ‘Flames should have sold’ position you’ve married yourself to.

Ok you said 25 not being deep probably played a factor in more picks being moved. What does that have to do with teams moving 26,27,28 picks ?

The only player I married myself into selling was Andersson. I’ve never brought up Kadri, Coleman or Backlund.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Ok you said 25 not being deep probably played a factor in more picks being moved. What does that have to do with teams moving 26,27,28 picks ?

The only player I married myself into selling was Andersson. I’ve never brought up Kadri, Coleman or Backlund.

Nothing. I didn’t say anything about those picks, you did.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Nothing. I didn’t say anything about those picks, you did.

lol wtf.

Cliff said a record amount of picks for traded. You said the 25 draft being is probably what contributed to it. I said a lot of later year picks got traded so 25 being doesn’t really play a role in a record amount of picks traded.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

lol wtf.

Cliff said a record amount of picks for traded. You said the 25 draft being is probably what contributed to it. I said a lot of later year picks got traded so 25 being doesn’t really play a role in a record amount of picks traded.

Read what you just wrote.

The 2025 picks don’t count towards the record number of picks moved?

lol, wtf indeed.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by TOfan

You could have said the same thing about the Flames last year.

It’s more that contenders are getting more aggressive about pushing all their chips in when their window is open. Teams are modelling the Lightning, Golden Knights, and Panther’s “go big or go home” approach.

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

A substantially lower return than… what?

The silliest thing about virtually any trade is the resulting comments of “Flames could have beat that” or “Flames should have offered ____ for that return” and other comments along those lines.

Just because Carlo got what he did, doesn’t mean their same or better offer was ever on the table for Andersson. Just because Jankowski got moved for a 5th doesn’t mean anyone offered the same (or anything) for Rooney. That doesn’t mean Flames players are worth more or less than any of the players moved, but trades require alignment between two GMs. And different guys have different preferences and different targets and it’s a big assumption to think these returns are all interchangeable. And that’s ignoring things like players with NMC, NTC, cap space, etc.

Even if you were like some posters here and would have traded virtually any vet for any return, that still doesn’t mean you can find a partner. I just don’t see the point in making up or over-simplifying things to justify some negative outlook on how things went down.

“The deals were obviously there.” No, the deals were there for other players. They weren’t there for every player. That’s why there’s a ton of players that weren’t moved.

If you can't concede that Conroy wasn't interested in selling and that the prices were high this deadline then you are squinting pretty hard.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by dino7c

This is dumb...they already are sneak in level and everyone wants them to improve. Our top prospect is matching Bobby Orr records, our rookie goalie is already top 10, most cap space in the NHL, 4 firsts the next 2 seasons...for now. Biggest trade chips were NOT ufas.

Besides some of us also realize there is more to it...Kadri is a Muslim man who won't play in the US with a 7M contract until he is 38. "these prices" what like Marchand for a 2nd? When the players will only go to one spot you don't get the big deals.

Makrsom and Lindholm deals seem like steals, Flyers trade is a for sure win. Keep winning trades and lets see.

Have an opinion but you don't need to put worlds in peoples mouths....not one poster I know wanted to go all out to "sneak in"

We are in sneak in world because our goalie is having a Hasek level season and stealing us every game.

This is not a good team, whatsoever.