Poll request: Predict who "won" the TDL

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

That wasn’t the intention of the trade. They tried to sign the biggest name and he said no so they salvaged what they could of a bad situation and got a decent haul back.

Another way to look at it is Necas was on a 2 year deal and likely gets dealt next season. Would he get the same return? Probably not.

While they screwed thrmsleved this year they have assets now and cap space to stretch things out.

The deal wasn't bad it is just feels like a weird trade though for a team that is in a win now type of environment. They have always seemed to lack a little bit of the elite level players who would be able to push them over the hump and it seemed like they had that in Rantanen (even if he didn't perform up to those expectations initially).

I guess it is hard to say but what would Necas have been able to return next year at the trade deadline? I just happen to think that a futures move makes the most sense in the long term but I thought that their window was now not in 4-6 years from now.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

The deal wasn't bad it is just feels like a weird trade though for a team that is in a win now type of environment. They have always seemed to lack a little bit of the elite level players who would be able to push them over the hump and it seemed like they had that in Rantanen (even if he didn't perform up to those expectations initially).

I guess it is hard to say but what would Necas have been able to return next year at the trade deadline? I just happen to think that a futures move makes the most sense in the long term but I thought that their window was now not in 4-6 years from now.

As bizarre as it was the GM admitting they missed on deals because they spent their whole time working on the Rantanen deal.

They probably are going to spend those picks. I guess we will see what happens.

The team and organization must be fuming at Rantanen holding out until the last minute to let them know he wasn’t signing. It’s his right to pick but he could have told them much earlier.

[CliffFletcher]

Good article on how aggressive contenders were at the deadline this year, and how the conservative attitudes over moving 1st rounders has given way to the ‘flags fly forever’ approach of the top teams like TB, VGK, and FLA.

One of the more interesting aspects is the comparative value of early vs late 1sts.

That's not to say first-round picks lack value. Nearly half of the league is made up of former first-rounders, with 44 percent of skaters who have played 20-plus games this season being selected in that round.

But their value tends to be highly concentrated among the best of those picks, with a 10th pick holding more than three times the value of a 30th selection. Even then, those high picks typically take years to be realized, especially when it comes to helping a contending club win it all.

Drafting a talented 18-year-old out of junior hockey at No. 25 isn't going to pay dividends for teams like the Lightning or Leafs for four or five years, at which point Nikita Kucherov and Auston Matthews and the rest of their stars may age out of their primes or blow out a knee or head off to free agency.

And that's if you can hit on the pick, which is a coin flip at best given fewer than 50 percent of late first-rounders get to the 100-game mark.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/618...shared_article

[PepsiFree]

I think Carolina had the worst day. Any time a team goes from a legit contender back into building/first round fodder mode that has to be viewed as a huge gaffe. Their GM has been mostly terrible for all the hype.

Colorado is the complete opposite. Not just because of deadline deals, but the entire year leading up. Their team had problems and the GM has wasted no time in fixing them. Stellar work.

Dallas was the flashiest but I don’t think they were the best. Landed a big fish. See how it goes.

Boston getting praise from certain people is a bit funny. Following the “Calgary model” from last year that some people criticize as mushy middle. The return for Carlo was good, Marchand was a disappointment (especially trading your captain) and Coyle was OK. Will be interesting to see what their summer looks like. Overall they did OK. Good start.

Ottawa is a winner just because of the Cozens trade. Smart exchange. They also got a good deal in Zetterlund. Nothing flashy but good.

Calgary deserves a lot of credit for not making moves just to make them. People complain but there was no real need to move guys and they didn’t succumb to outside pressure into making a bad deal. Similar with Washington, addressed their need but didn’t rock the boat. Smart stuff. Oilers and Kings, on the other hand, needed to make big deals and didn’t. Oilers are taking a step back and Kings are treading water.

San Jose was OK. Not sure they know how to do the building part of rebuilding. Florida made interesting moves but it’s unclear if they were actually necessary moves.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

I don't know if I agree with that - the first round picks are okay but still one of them is in 2028 so while anything is possible that is a long way away and late first round draft picks don't have a huge amount of value on trade deadline it seems looking at the other trades that were made.

Stankoven could be good but he is an undersized offensive player who has put up 29 points in 59 games this year. He has potential to be a very good player but sort of reminds me a little bit of Matthew Lombardi, a good player but not an elite level of player.

They turned Necas and Drury into Stankoven, 2 firsts, 2 thirds and the ghost of Taylor Hall. It is good but a futures deal for a team that a month ago was in win now mode getting the biggest name available.

Sure but this was like plan C and they still came out okay after missing on what they wanted.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

As bizarre as it was the GM admitting they missed on deals because they spent their whole time working on the Rantanen deal.

They probably are going to spend those picks. I guess we will see what happens.

The team and organization must be fuming at Rantanen holding out until the last minute to let them know he wasn’t signing. It’s his right to pick but he could have told them much earlier.

CAR should have never have traded for Rantanen in the first place without an extension. That’s the stance DAL took, because Jim Nill is a savvy and experienced operator. The Hurricanes approach of having the team run by the owner and stats wonks is losing its shine.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

CAR should have never have traded for Rantanen in the first place without an extension. That’s the stance DAL took, because Jim Nill is a savvy and experienced operator. The Hurricanes approach of having the team run by the owner and stats wonks is losing its shine.

He had to come out and defend the organization and team and saying it’s not for everyone but that’s ok.

It does seem like the owner is an issue. They have trouble keeping guys.

They created a mess for themselves that was unnecessary.

[devo22]

I liked both Pittsburgh and Boston acknowledging that it's time. The Penguins now have 18 picks in the next three drafts' first three rounds, which is a remarkable shift from their MO of the last decade. They can't go full rebuild as long as Crosby, Malkin, Letang and Karlsson are there, but starting to stockpile picks while they fade towards retirement is the correct way to go. Would expect them to move on from Rakell at some point as well. Bruins still have a foundation to build on, but moving on from Marchand and Coyle and get some future assets in makes sense.

Colorado and Dallas easy winners for me ... good teams got even better. Makes sense for them to push the chips in, especially the Stars. Islanders a sneaky winner too, getting that package for Nelson helps a lot. Carolina (lost Rantanen and couldn't make any additional moves) and Toronto (overpaid for two depth pieces) losers for me.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Good article on how aggressive contenders were at the deadline this year, and how the conservative attitudes over moving 1st rounders has given way to the ‘flags fly forever’ approach of the top teams like TB, VGK, and FLA.

One of the more interesting aspects is the comparative value of early vs late 1sts.

Don’t tell / show articles telling people around here late first are exponentially worse then top 10 picks they will lose their minds ! Don’t you know we have TWO late picks this year and there’s nothing to worry about getting elite talent !

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Don’t tell / show articles telling people around here late first are exponentially worse then top 10 picks they will lose their minds ! Don’t you know we have TWO late picks this year and there’s nothing to worry about getting elite talent !

You’re not a fan if want a top 10 pick. All those teams sending out 1st rounders currently have top 10 picks on the roster making significant contributions that allow them to make these moves.

[Ped]

Carolina and Jersey both had terrible deadlines. Carolina messed up with Rantanen. Jersey, with their injuries, added:


Brian Dumoulin - old, slow defensive blueliner.
Daniel Sprong - 5 points in 19 games this year and cleared waivers
Cody Glass - huge disappointment for a top 10 pick
Jon Gruden - 24 years old with 16 career NHL games
Marc McLaughlin 25 years old with 26 career NHL games
Dennis Cholowski - 27 years old and has been in the AHL more often than not
Shane Lachance - 6th round pick

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Cheese

Calgary for standing pat.

Hear, hear.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Ottawa quietly did really well. I think they helped themselves lock up a playoff berth.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Carolina Gm said that Carolina never felt like home for Rantanen yet without a game played in Dallas he signed.

Also said they were prepared to keep him for the remainder of the season. Acknowledged that they took a hit for this season lol.

[metroneck]

Society in general, as the chances of the Oilers returning to the finals dropped drastically.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by FusionX

I'd say Boston, and it'll be interesting to see how their rebuild/retool goes compared to ours. They obviously looked at their position and chose to sell and got great assets back without losing any young pieces.

Now, they're obviously further out and have played more games, but if we think the Ducks are still potentially in the hunt here in the West, no reason to think that there's zero chance Boston could get in. But they took a stance and moved guys out and did well with it I think.

I just hope the arms race cements a central division finalist this year (excluding the Jets). No more shenanigans like last year eh. Jets, Oilers, Leafs out first round, Nucks, Habs don't make it. Ottawa makes a run, has a good 1st round but bows out too.

As for us, playoffs or drop into top 10, that's all I ask.

I liked that trade for Colorado, but I loved what Boston did. I can see them still making the playoffs, but they did well and moved an all time Bruin when they were close to the playoffs. Other teams seem to do it.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Who was the last team that made a splash on trade deadline and won a cup? Kings with Carter?

Seems like it’s the smaller moves like what the Avs did that payoff. Tampa with Coleman and Goodrow.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Car dealers

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Who was the last team that made a splash on trade deadline and won a cup? Kings with Carter?

Seems like it’s the smaller moves like what the Avs did that payoff. Tampa with Coleman and Goodrow.

In no way was the Nelson trade a "small" move.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Ped

In no way was the Nelson trade a "small" move.

Sorry. Small compared to Rantanen the flashy move.

Don’t think Dallas makes the WCF.