2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by kehatch

He still held onto both of them for too long rather than trading them for maximum value. He is doing the same thing with Andersson.

Not dismissing the rest of your post but I would argue what we received for Lindholm was maximum value. Even if we traded him earlier I don’t know that we are receiving a better offer than what we got from Van.

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

But sell what?

Kadri: Didn't want to be moved. Has protection. Perhaps could have be traded to Toronto but that's it

Huberdeau: Not moveable

Glencross: Trade protection.

Vladar: Couldn't get a return it seems

Backlund: I can see the argument here, I suspect he goes next deadline. Not sure he would much value with a year remaining

Pospisil: That's a guy I would have looked to move, but seems like teams were low-balling if they were interested.

Yegor: Would be selling low. Not worth it.

Bean/Hanley/Miro: Not likely a market

It seems like it comes down to the team not trading Andersson that has people in a snit. And not trading Kadri, if you ignore the trade protection he has.

I think people are reacting to them not even listening on Kadri, including from Colorado, but if the team knew he didn't want to go to a U.S. team what would be the point of it.

I just don't think there was much to be done here, outside of debating if now was the time to trade Rasmus.

Andersson is obviously the top guy. Coleman is another, and someone they should have looked at trading last summer. You mentioned Pospisil. Bahl is another, though I am okay extending him.

Kadri most likely agrees to waive for the right team if the Flames are trading guys like Andersson and Coleman.

Rooney, Lomberg, and Hanley probably get you something.

Conroy was focused on adding. Outside of Vladar, and maybe Miromanov, I don't think he made any attempt to sell.

[Nelson]

I hope the Flames trade Andersson in the summer. I’m afraid the unwillingness to do 2-year retention deals is because the Flames are going to extend Andersson for 8 years (bad idea IMO), in addition to re-signing Frost, Zary, Coronato and Wolf (clearly the right plan).

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by Nelson

I hope the Flames trade Andersson in the summer. I’m afraid the unwillingness to do 2-year retention deals is because the Flames are going to extend Andersson for 8 years (bad idea IMO), in addition to re-signing Frost, Zary, Coronato and Wolf (clearly the right plan).

I would think the 2 year retention is more so the flames can afford to retain on him this summer, and possibly a guy like Coleman

[1qqaaz]

I wonder how much value a 50% retained Backlund would have had

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by kehatch

Andersson is obviously the top guy. Coleman is another, and someone they should have looked at trading last summer. You mentioned Pospisil. Bahl is another, though I am okay extending him.

Kadri most likely agrees to waive for the right team if the Flames are trading guys like Andersson and Coleman.

Rooney, Lomberg, and Hanley probably get you something.

Conroy was focused on adding. Outside of Vladar, and maybe Miromanov, I don't think he made any attempt to sell.

Why do you think Hanley or Rooney get you anything?
And disagree on Kadri. He’s established his extended family here.

[Just a guy]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

But sell what?

Kadri: Didn't want to be moved. Has protection. Perhaps could have be traded to Toronto but that's it

Huberdeau: Not moveable

Glencross: Trade protection.

Vladar: Couldn't get a return it seems

Backlund: I can see the argument here, I suspect he goes next deadline. Not sure he would much value with a year remaining

Pospisil: That's a guy I would have looked to move, but seems like teams were low-balling if they were interested.

Yegor: Would be selling low. Not worth it.

Bean/Hanley/Miro: Not likely a market

It seems like it comes down to the team not trading Andersson that has people in a snit. And not trading Kadri, if you ignore the trade protection he has.

I think people are reacting to them not even listening on Kadri, including from Colorado, but if the team knew he didn't want to go to a U.S. team what would be the point of it.

I just don't think there was much to be done here, outside of debating if now was the time to trade Rasmus.

I don't know that Glencross being retired for 10 years has any trade protection!

[Jiri Hrdina]

Oops
I always get Glencross and Coleman mixed up

[Rhett44]

We could have sold Anderrson, Kadri if he would waive, Coleman, Vladar.

I know the plan is to get younger but we also need to get elite talent and only way we will get that is in the draft. It seemed most sellers made out like bandits today.

This team isnt built to win. You're not going to win with Frost or an aging Kadri as your best center. You're not going to win with Coronato as your best winger.

We can keep collecting all these decent secondary players all we want. But we have nothing to retool around. Need a full rebuild and to get a good pick for an elite player.

I am looking for us to be a contender some day. But I get some people think we can sneak in and be an underdog and rely on our goalie to steal us a cup instead.

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Why do you think Hanley or Rooney get you anything?
And disagree on Kadri. He’s established his extended family here.

Hanley has over 17 min per night and has stayed in the positive. Recently he has been spot filling a top 4 role. Rooney is one of the Flames top PK forwards. Neither get you much, but they are the depth guys lots of teams give mid/late picks.

We can't know on Kadri. But it's very rare that you can't trade a NMC.

Regardless, there are several names on the list of players we could have traded. And event if it was "just Andersson" that's still one heck of a haul given the prices this deadline.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by kehatch

Hanley has over 17 min per night and has stayed in the positive. Recently he has been spot filling a top 4 role. Rooney is one of the Flames top PK forwards. Neither get you much, but they are the depth guys lots of teams give mid/late picks.

We can't know on Kadri. But it's very rare that you can't trade a NMC.

Regardless, there are several names on the list of players we could have traded. And event if it was "just Andersson" that's still one heck of a haul given the prices this deadline.

Is it very rare to not be able to trade a NMC? Guys with NMC’s almost never get traded, certainly far far less than guys without them.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

We could have sold Anderrson, Kadri if he would waive, Coleman, Vladar.

I know the plan is to get younger but we also need to get elite talent and only way we will get that is in the draft. It seemed most sellers made out like bandits today.

This team isnt built to win. You're not going to win with Frost or an aging Kadri as your best center. You're not going to win with Coronato as your best winger.

We can keep collecting all these decent secondary players all we want. But we have nothing to retool around. Need a full rebuild and to get a good pick for an elite player.

I am looking for us to be a contender some day. But I get some people think we can sneak in and be an underdog and rely on our goalie to steal us a cup instead.

This is dumb...they already are sneak in level and everyone wants them to improve. Our top prospect is matching Bobby Orr records, our rookie goalie is already top 10, most cap space in the NHL, 4 firsts the next 2 seasons...for now. Biggest trade chips were NOT ufas.

Besides some of us also realize there is more to it...Kadri is a Muslim man who won't play in the US with a 7M contract until he is 38. "these prices" what like Marchand for a 2nd? When the players will only go to one spot you don't get the big deals.

Makrsom and Lindholm deals seem like steals, Flyers trade is a for sure win. Keep winning trades and lets see.

Have an opinion but you don't need to put worlds in peoples mouths....not one poster I know wanted to go all out to "sneak in"

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by kehatch

Hanley has over 17 min per night and has stayed in the positive. Recently he has been spot filling a top 4 role. Rooney is one of the Flames top PK forwards. Neither get you much, but they are the depth guys lots of teams give mid/late picks.

We can't know on Kadri. But it's very rare that you can't trade a NMC.

Regardless, there are several names on the list of players we could have traded. And event if it was "just Andersson" that's still one heck of a haul given the prices this deadline.

I think you also need to consider what the perception of the organization is with the players. If the Flames were to strong arm Kadri into accepting a trade against his wishes, there would be collateral damage there.

Rightly or wrongly (rightly, I think) the Flames have demonstrated a player friendly environment recently, perhaps towards the upper end of the league. The way they handled Kylington’s situation, picking Frost and Farabee up in a PJ, moms/dads trips, support for the Gaudreau family. I think this stuff matters to players. Certainly, most teams do some of these things but I think the Flames have done more than most. There’s a reason why Backlund extended despite knowing his chances of winning are limited here. There’s also a reason why Coleman, Kadri, Huberdeau, and Andersson aren’t looking to move on (as best we know).

Ultimately, this is a good thing and, I bet, pays dividends down the road at some point.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

We could have sold Anderrson, Kadri if he would waive, Coleman, Vladar.

I know the plan is to get younger but we also need to get elite talent and only way we will get that is in the draft. It seemed most sellers made out like bandits today.

This team isnt built to win. You're not going to win with Frost or an aging Kadri as your best center. You're not going to win with Coronato as your best winger.

We can keep collecting all these decent secondary players all we want. But we have nothing to retool around. Need a full rebuild and to get a good pick for an elite player.

I am looking for us to be a contender some day. But I get some people think we can sneak in and be an underdog and rely on our goalie to steal us a cup instead.

You can still sell all those guys. It didn’t have to be now. If the deals aren’t there they aren’t there. Conroy has held out for the best deal before.

I guarantee the same people who are complaining they don’t sell also complain about the return when trades happen.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

You can still sell all those guys. It didn’t have to be now. If the deals aren’t there they aren’t there. Conroy has held out for the best deal before.

I guarantee the same people who are complaining they don’t sell also complain about the return when trades happen.

Based on what Royle and Sex shared it seems like the Flames didn’t really entertain listening to much on Andersson. I don’t think Kadri was ever an option. Teams that want to contend spent yesterday so they may have been able to push and get a higher return. That’s the disappointing piece along with focusing on Trying to get another 3rd liner like Cozen.

In 3-4 years we will back as sellers selling off the guys he’s bringing in cause they will be soon to be 30 or 30 plus looking to win and we built a team that is just battling to get in. Outside of Wolf and Parekh no one in the system has the ability to step in and take us to the next level. Hopefully they find some guys in the draft but the timeline gets difficult and you can’t trade your way out of it.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I think you also need to consider what the perception of the organization is with the players. If the Flames were to strong arm Kadri into accepting a trade against his wishes, there would be collateral damage there.

Rightly or wrongly (rightly, I think) the Flames have demonstrated a player friendly environment recently, perhaps towards the upper end of the league. The way they handled Kylington’s situation, picking Frost and Farabee up in a PJ, moms/dads trips, support for the Gaudreau family. I think this stuff matters to players. Certainly, most teams do some of these things but I think the Flames have done more than most. There’s a reason why Backlund extended despite knowing his chances of winning are limited here. There’s also a reason why Coleman, Kadri, Huberdeau, and Andersson aren’t looking to move on (as best we know).

Ultimately, this is a good thing and, I bet, pays dividends down the road at some point.

So Calgary remains the nice cozy retirement spot where players like to cash a check rather than actually chase a cup? You didn't need to strong arm Kadri or anyone. Of course you treat people with respect. But the goal is winning a Cup and you're running a competitive sports franchise not a country club.

Imagine we handed out more money to Kadri than any other team in the league, treated him well while he played here, then ASKED him if he would be open to a trade to a contender because the organization was year 2 into a rebuild.

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

You can still sell all those guys. It didn’t have to be now. If the deals aren’t there they aren’t there. Conroy has held out for the best deal before.

I guarantee the same people who are complaining they don’t sell also complain about the return when trades happen.

Speaking for myself, if we trade Andersson next deadline for a substantially lower return then I will "complain."

That will trigger the predictable responses. Conroy can only get what the market supports. There is only so much value in an expiring contract for a guy having an off season. Debates on potential returns if we acted sooner are hypothetical and pointless. If the deals weren't there .....

The deals were obviously there. Especially for Andersson. Look at the amount of activity across the league. Conroy wasn't interested in selling.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Conroy has handled things very well.
Make deals when there, don't force them.
Don't aquire extra useless depth and give up draft picks.
Make the team younger without dismantling and character and competitiveness.

I wanted a top 5 pick but it's not going to happen with Wolf.
If we ever iced a roster so awful, we could still be that bad, it would kill Wolf's development.
You have to adjust as your future stars become apparent.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by kehatch

Speaking for myself, if we trade Andersson next deadline for a substantially lower return then I will "complain."

That will trigger the predictable responses. Conroy can only get what the market supports. There is only so much value in an expiring contract for a guy having an off season. Debates on potential returns if we acted sooner are hypothetical and pointless. If the deals weren't there .....

The deals were obviously there. Especially for Andersson. Look at the amount of activity across the league. Conroy wasn't interested in selling.

He was busy shopping. Every reporter and Conroy himself said the prices are too high.

Not sure if it was depth pieces or what he was looking for. He could have seen what the market was like and introduced Andersson. Not trying to close a deal for 3rd and 4th liners.

The team is overachieving big time trying to find them help in the wrong move IMO. We got the 14/15 team help and they picked 6 overall the next season.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by kehatch

Speaking for myself, if we trade Andersson next deadline for a substantially lower return then I will "complain."

That will trigger the predictable responses. Conroy can only get what the market supports. There is only so much value in an expiring contract for a guy having an off season. Debates on potential returns if we acted sooner are hypothetical and pointless. If the deals weren't there .....

The deals were obviously there. Especially for Andersson. Look at the amount of activity across the league. Conroy wasn't interested in selling.

A substantially lower return than… what?

The silliest thing about virtually any trade is the resulting comments of “Flames could have beat that” or “Flames should have offered ____ for that return” and other comments along those lines.

Just because Carlo got what he did, doesn’t mean their same or better offer was ever on the table for Andersson. Just because Jankowski got moved for a 5th doesn’t mean anyone offered the same (or anything) for Rooney. That doesn’t mean Flames players are worth more or less than any of the players moved, but trades require alignment between two GMs. And different guys have different preferences and different targets and it’s a big assumption to think these returns are all interchangeable. And that’s ignoring things like players with NMC, NTC, cap space, etc.

Even if you were like some posters here and would have traded virtually any vet for any return, that still doesn’t mean you can find a partner. I just don’t see the point in making up or over-simplifying things to justify some negative outlook on how things went down.

“The deals were obviously there.” No, the deals were there for other players. They weren’t there for every player. That’s why there’s a ton of players that weren’t moved.