[Trade] Nelson (50% ret), Dafour to Avs for Ritchie, Kylington, 26 or 27 1st, cond 28 3rd

[3rd Degree]

If anyone is offering a 1st for Kadri, how could we say no?

[dino7c]

If my aunt had nuts she would be my uncle

Kadri has a NTC and won't go anywhere but maybe Toronto

[browna]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

They were very interested in Kadri. Nelson was not necessarily their Plan A. It's just that talks with Calgary never really progressed far enough, so I guess you could continue to use the argument of "we don't know what could have been because it didn't happen", although I think that's a weak argument even though technically true.

Crosby was plan A, probably.

Kadri has familiarity, so what? Nelson was sought after by many teams for his on and off ice skills for a playoff team.

For everyone getting juiced up about the "what if", here is a what if...very well could've been Flames retaining 50% for 4 years on Kadri to get a 1st rounder and conditional 3rd rounder (mid 20s pick and mid 60s pick) and Kylington back?

Those picks will be maybe debut on the team in the new building with new Flames uniforms.

Richie not part of the equation because of Kadri's contract.

[Hells Bells]

Stop with the Kadri comments.

He's not nearly as valuable as Brock Nelson.

[Hockey_Ninja]

My Leafs fan friend is pissed off that Brad missed out on getting Nelson and is basically doing nothing. Oh sweet summer child.....

[Nelson]

I think we could’ve obtained a 1st + Calum Ritchie if we would’ve traded Nazem Kadri to Colorado. I think Nazem Kadri is better than Brock Nelson.

I wish we were the ones getting the 1st and Calum Ritchie.

Also, if the Flames stand pat at this deadline when 1sts and top prospects are being traded, I really think they’re going to regret it. The first round loss will mean nothing if they make the playoffs.

[Erick Estrada]

Kind of happy for Nelson going to a good team/market after spending his entire career with the Islanders.

[Heavy Jack]

People are discounting lots of factors about Kadri; he controls his fate currently and could simply not want to be traded, he also has a hefty price tag with 4 more seasons attached to it after this one which makes him not nearly as valuable as a 4 years younger UFA that Nelson was; the length of term left likely also makes retaining on Kadri a non starter for Calgary. Cap flexibility both now and in the future matter to teams, laughable to suggest that the Flames could net the same return on Kadri as Nelson IMO.

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

People are discounting lots of factors about Kadri; he controls his fate currently and could simply not want to be traded, he also has a hefty price tag with 4 more seasons attached to it after this one which makes him not nearly as valuable as a 4 years younger UFA that Nelson was; the length of term left likely also makes retaining on Kadri a non starter for Calgary. Cap flexibility both now and in the future matter to teams, laughable to suggest that the Flames could net the same return on Kadri as Nelson IMO.

Counterpoints: First, Kadri was rumoured to be willing to go to the Avs. Second, the Flames had leverage, because the Avs know the Flames are trying to make the playoffs, and they would’ve needed to pay up as a result. Third, Kadri is familiar to the Avs, and the Avs won with Kadri. Fourth, Kadri is a better player.

You might be right, however. I don’t know. I guess all I can say is “if something similar to this was/is on the table for Kadri, sell him now.”

[Heavy Jack]

There is no way to know for sure and by the sounds of it from the sources we have it never got that far down the road. Why lament over things that we don’t know the full scope of. As it sits, being in the playoff race that we are I like having Kadri in the lineup as well. Plenty of time to trade him when his NTC opens up.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Nelson

I think we could’ve obtained a 1st + Calum Ritchie if we would’ve traded Nazem Kadri to Colorado. I think Nazem Kadri is better than Brock Nelson.

I wish we were the ones getting the 1st and Calum Ritchie.

Also, if the Flames stand pat at this deadline when 1sts and top prospects are being traded, I really think they’re going to regret it. The first round loss will mean nothing if they make the playoffs.

But the experience for the young players.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Nelson

Counterpoints: First, Kadri was rumoured to be willing to go to the Avs. Second, the Flames had leverage, because the Avs know the Flames are trying to make the playoffs, and they would’ve needed to pay up as a result. Third, Kadri is familiar to the Avs, and the Avs won with Kadri. Fourth, Kadri is a better player.

You might be right, however. I don’t know. I guess all I can say is “if something similar to this was/is on the table for Kadri, sell him now.”

Where was this reported?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by CF84

This really is his chance to do something special with the Flames and finally have the guts/balls as a GM to make some difficult decisions during a year while the Flames are playing okay hockey. We need a GM who can make the tough decisions of: "Yeah, you guys did great, but we still have a long ways to go before we're contenders so I'm making moves that benefit the team long term." I hope Conroy was able to learn from Treliving's past mistakes.

Rasmus' value will never be this high. If Conroy waits until next year, they'll get scraps compared to the current market value.

If he doesn't sell, then anything less than a cup is a failure in my mind because he would also be mortgaging the team's future.

I don't think his value is much different in the summer.

[Hockey_Ninja]

I'm honestly glad I don't get super caught up in the trades the Flames could've/should've made anymore cause the reality is that we aren't in the GM offices and we don't know what these GM's value the most outside of what leaks out via insiders. Ritchie would've been a nice add but maybe the Avs valued Nelson more. Maybe Naz didn't want to waive to go back to Colorado. We'll never fully know

[Titan2]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Never have I been wrong so fast

Now we know you are not married. I have been wrong just forming a thought.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don't think his value is much different in the summer.

I think there are teams willing to pay a higher price for a player who they can get 2 playoff runs out of. But it only takes one in the summer who wants someone bad enough.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don't think his value is much different in the summer.

Don't know how you can come to that conclusion - 2 playoff runs with him at a crazy low price is better than one.

And it is clearly a seller's market right now.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Don't know how you can come to that conclusion - 2 playoff runs with him at a crazy low price is better than one.

And it is clearly a seller's market right now.

Also, if his game continues to trail off like this for an extended period of time, I'm not sure buyers will view him the same this time next year.

[FusionX]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don't think his value is much different in the summer.

I'm not sure about that. Currently, the trade would be for 2 playoff runs and if we were to maximize cap space, at under 2.5m a year vs 1 (or none, if that team doesn't make it next year).

The other thing to consider is that he can start negotiating contract extensions starting next year. Teams may start to ask to have discussions with his agent about contract etc as a part of their offer. When they hear he wants 8, 9+, they may walk completely or offer something much less given it would be a year-long rental essentially.

Right now, I don't think teams are thinking too much about this latter issue given season timing but it certainly could become more prominent in the off-season.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Don't know how you can come to that conclusion - 2 playoff runs with him at a crazy low price is better than one.

And it is clearly a seller's market right now.

Markstrom's wasn't. I don't think his value changes all that much if they are targeting teams that want to sign him to an extension