[News] Chucky done for season (groin)

[Macindoc]

The Panthers have been allowed to place Tkachuk on LTIR retroactive to the last NHL game he played for the purposes of activating LTIR in time for the trade deadline. Which means that he played in the entire Four Nations Face-Off tournament (an NHL-sanctioned event) while officially injured.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

The Panthers have been allowed to place Tkachuk on LTIR retroactive to the last NHL game he played. Which means that he played in the entire Four Nations Face-Off tournament while officially injured for the purposes of activating LTIR in time for the trade deadline.

okay this seems sus

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

The Panthers have been allowed to place Tkachuk on LTIR retroactive to the last NHL game he played for the purposes of activating LTIR in time for the trade deadline. Which means that he played in the entire Four Nations Face-Off tournament (an NHL-sanctioned event) while officially injured.

That's not how retroactive works. It doesn't alter the past, it just recompenses for it.

In other words, while Florida is being allowed to retroactively begin accruing relief from the date of Tkachuk's last NHL game played, it doesn't retroactively alter the past to mean he was "officially injured during the 4 Nations Face-Off." That would require a level of sorcery that even the NHL is incapable of producing.

Also, while there isn't an actual "season-ending injury" clause or stipulation in the CBA, there is a negotiated precident that allows for "unequivocally-documented" season-ending injuries to accrue relief from the last game played instead of the LTI assginment date.


Edit: The CBA does include this language, however...

24.7 A Player participating in the IIHF World Championships will be deemed to be participating in a hockey-related activity pursuant to his SPC, and will be protected for injury to the same extent as if he were participating in an NHL Game.

Article 24 (International Play) allows for all "jointly-developed international project(s) or initiative(s)" to be considered, so while 24.7 explicitly references the IIHF WC, it can also be applied to the 4 Nations Face-Off -- meaning as far as the CBA is concerened, the injury occured in an NHL game.


Question: Are you sure the accrument is retroactive to his last NHL regular season game? Is it possible the accrunent is instead begining from the date of the 4NFO game in which he was injured, with the explanation being that 4NFO games are concidered NHL games? I mean he was injured in the second game of the tournament, so we're probably only talking about a difference of a few days at most anyway.

[Jay Random]

On top of that, you don't ‘accrue relief’ for using LTIR. In fact, if you need players on LTIR to be cap compliant, you don't accrue any cap space at all. You just have permission to go over the cap temporarily to pay replacement players an equal amount.

So there is zero cap advantage to putting players on LTIR retroactively. All it does is set the minimum 10 games and 24 days the player must miss to start at an earlier date. The Panthers didn't play any games during the Four Nations tournament, and there's no way Tkachuk will be out for less than 24 days, so it really affects nothing except the paperwork.

[Enoch Root]

Yeah, unless he actually returns after the minimum 10 games (which he won't), it is completely irrelevant.

[dino7c]

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by dino7c

okay this seems sus

It’s not though. He was legitimately injured but he selfishly took a roster spot in every game because Tkachuk. A healthy Kyle Connor just in a suit… he can score a few…

[CliffFletcher]

Tkachuk is genuinely injured to the point where he can’t play. If he’s good enough to play in three weeks will he give it another couple weeks to rest up? Yes. Is that kind dodgy? A bit. But it’s not cut and dried. Groin injuries typically linger for a long time, so I doubt he’ll be 100 per cent when the playoffs start.