The Tariff Thread

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

"We will remove retaliatory tariffs when you solve your gun problem".

"For a country with so many guns, why is your aim such sh-t?"

[NuclearFart]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

"For a country with so many guns, why is your aim such sh-t?"

They are all descendants of Jango Fett

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Canada should show them what fentanyl rolling into the States from Canada really looks like. No holds barred approach. Let it flow!

Oh wait- it’s their border?

Oh yeah. That’s why this is so ####ing stupid.

Yeah, seriously we should have used that money on providing training for their border guards to be better at their jobs.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Slava

The fentanyl issue was only there so he could declare a border emergency and be able to legislate through an Executive Order.

I just don't get how there can be no debate about it in the legislature, on whether what the president claims as his pretext for an executive order is based on fact or not. It's one thing to cheat on the checks and balances, but another to not have them at all.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I just don't get how there can be no debate about it in the legislature, on whether what the president claims as his pretext for an executive order is based on fact or not. It's one thing to cheat on the checks and balances, but another to not have them at all.

Well, the Executive Orders under Trump are being pushed and pressed further than they have in the past. He is really pushing the envelope, and the plan is to increase the power of the Executive branch. There should be some pushback there, but at this point, Congress is just going along with this, for the most part. They did get unhappy when he tried to control the money because that is clearly outside his purview, but otherwise, they're not doing anything to block him.

And with the tariffs, they could kill them, if they had the fortitude and enough were willing to vote that way. There's no indication that they do though, so it's just not in the cards.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

That was Ford's point; at some point these tariffs have to be blessed by Congress or not and it only takes a couple of people to say "this is killing me politically" to back down. But breaking with Trump, for a Republican, is suicide in their next primary, to a point where that simply might not happen.

Seriously, a sensible and impartial redrawing of all congressional districts in the USA would solve a significant portion of what ails that country.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

That was Ford's point; at some point these tariffs have to be blessed by Congress or not and it only takes a couple of people to say "this is killing me politically" to back down. But breaking with Trump, for a Republican, is suicide in their next primary, to a point where that simply might not happen.

Seriously, a sensible and impartial redrawing of all congressional districts in the USA would solve a significant portion of what ails that country.

LOL. Nobody is gonna fix anything. It's working exactly how they like it. Any number of things would go along way, but they haven't been done in the past 20 years, and certainly aren't happening any time soon.

[greyshep]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I just don't get how there can be no debate about it in the legislature, on whether what the president claims as his pretext for an executive order is based on fact or not. It's one thing to cheat on the checks and balances, but another to not have them at all.

Welcome to the new autocratic nation of USA. Happened even quicker than we all thought it might.

[Azure]

I mean the stupidity of the MAGA crowd....

Yesterday they're bragging about how all it took was a President to secure the southern border.

But when it comes to the northern border, Canada should secure it. On the US side. Where we're not authorized to do anything.

And they swear all this is about the drugs.

[StickMan]

Originally Posted by Slava

The fentanyl issue was only there so he could declare a border emergency and be able to legislate through an Executive Order.

How come nobody on team Canada negotiated a measurable list of goals that needed to be achieved to avoid tariffs? It seems like the demands were very vague and no way to know if we were making progress. We were basically waiting to see if Trump would tariff us or not, it seems like we didn't know if we made any progress or not. This seems like a ridiculous way to negotiate, you'd think step 1 would be to agree on specific goals, and then let the media and everyone know those goals, and then it wouldn't be a surprise and we'd know if it was even possible to resolve this issue with the orange man. Instead it seems like Trudeau just left the country for the month of February and left the premiers to deal with Trump.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by StickMan

How come nobody on team Canada negotiated a measurable list of goals that needed to be achieved to avoid tariffs? It seems like the demands were very vague and no way to know if we were making progress. We were basically waiting to see if Trump would tariff us or not, it seems like we didn't know if we made any progress or not. This seems like a ridiculous way to negotiate, you'd think step 1 would be to agree on specific goals, and then let the media and everyone know those goals, and then it wouldn't be a surprise and we'd know if it was even possible to resolve this issue with the orange man. Instead it seems like Trudeau just left the country for the month of February and left the premiers to deal with Trump.

… yeah that’s the problem. The threats are complete nonsense, forever moving goal posts… nobody knows what the #### he’s doing or what he “wants”

[greyshep]

Originally Posted by StickMan

How come nobody on team Canada negotiated a measurable list of goals that needed to be achieved to avoid tariffs? It seems like the demands were very vague and no way to know if we were making progress. We were basically waiting to see if Trump would tariff us or not, it seems like we didn't know if we made any progress or not. This seems like a ridiculous way to negotiate, you'd think step 1 would be to agree on specific goals, and then let the media and everyone know those goals, and then it wouldn't be a surprise and we'd know if it was even possible to resolve this issue with the orange man. Instead it seems like Trudeau just left the country for the month of February and left the premiers to deal with Trump.

Have you been paying any attention? The orange man is being intentionally difficult to reason with because he doesnt want to provide measurable actions. He wants to dictate and F around to see what sticks in the way that is best for him and his new oligarchs.

Trying to pin this on the Cdn govt is exactly what Trump wants you to do, so good job there.

[StickMan]

Originally Posted by greyshep

Have you been paying any attention? The orange man is being intentionally difficult to reason with because he doesnt want to provide measurable actions. He wants to dictate and F around to see what sticks in the way that is best for him and his new oligarchs.

Trying to pin this on the Cdn govt is exactly what Trump wants you to do, so good job there.

Well at least if we agreed upon actual goals, then we can say we held up our end of the bargain with absolute certainty. And I do partially blame Trudeau for sure, this is his job too deal with trade, he should at least try.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by StickMan

Well at least if we agreed upon actual goals, then we can say we held up our end of the bargain with absolute certainty. And I do partially blame Trudeau for sure, this is his job too deal with trade, he should at least try.

Why would the administration agree to set actual goals? They're not negotiating in good faith and they benefit (in the short term at least) from being vague and demanding. Canada and Mexico have been asking for specifics this whole time, but they're not getting them because the administration is treating this like a shakedown.

[greyshep]

Originally Posted by StickMan

Well at least if we agreed upon actual goals, then we can say we held up our end of the bargain with absolute certainty. And I do partially blame Trudeau for sure, this is his job too deal with trade, he should at least try.

What leads you to believe that there was any willingness to provide measurables? How would you expect Trudeau to pry these out of a person that wasnt willing to give them?

The only measurables that Trump gave were sham ones that referred to border security/fentanyl that had no basis in truth and were only being used so he could enact tariffs via executive order.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by direwolf

Every excuse Trump comes up with is completely made up. Fentanyl, his stupid “$200 billion” trade deficit, his fabricated complaints about U.S. banks not being able to operate in Canada…it’s all horses***.

I read that if you remove energy from the equation, there's actually a surplus on the American side.

[Fuzz]

Man, if only Trudeau had thought of that!


Reminder, Trump is breaking his own trade agreement here. There is no rational escape for us.

[StickMan]

Originally Posted by opendoor

Why would the administration agree to set actual goals? They're not negotiating in good faith and they benefit (in the short term at least) from being vague and demanding. Canada and Mexico have been asking for specifics this whole time, but they're not getting them because the administration is treating this like a shakedown.

Are you just assuming specifics were asked for? Or do you actually have video or something of this happening? I haven't seen it, if you could point me to it that would be great.

[Red Slinger]

Originally Posted by StickMan

Are you just assuming specifics were asked for? Or do you actually have video or something of this happening? I haven't seen it, if you could point me to it that would be great.

Good grief. You will find any reason to blame Trudeau for just about anything. I hope you're charging him rent for living in your head.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by StickMan

Are you just assuming specifics were asked for? Or do you actually have video or something of this happening? I haven't seen it, if you could point me to it that would be great.

Yeah it makes more sense to assume no other countries asked for specifics on why he was slapping tariffs on them.