American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[nik-]

Originally Posted by devo22

who's the heir apparent? It's a cult of personality. Neither his sons nor JD Vance have any personality.

maybe I'm naive, but there's still a tiny sliver of hope in me that at least a part of the cult snaps out of their fever dream when that ####ing ####### finally bites the dust.

Weekend at Bernie's.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

People should brush up on Project 2025.

It’s what’s coming to America (or already has). The Republicans are no longer interested in democracy.

True, but no one has the cult that Donald has. I think Donald is the only individual in all of America who thought the tariffs were a good idea. So when he dies and another Trump takes over, Republicans will infight and remove him/her due to the unpopular policies. They only pretend to like Donald's policies because of the cult.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

True, but no one has the cult that Donald has. I think Donald is the only individual in all of America who thought the tariffs were a good idea. So when he dies and another Trump takes over, Republicans will infight and remove him/her due to the unpopular policies. They only pretend to like Donald's policies because of the cult.

There was a GOP senator the other day (can’t remember his name) who didn’t seem very keen on tariffs, and said that he “hopes that Trump knows what he’s doing.”

So yea, it’s a f***ing cult. I agree, if Trump suddenly has a heart attack and croaks, you might actually see a few Republicans push back on completely insane/idiotic decisions like tariffs. It seems like even most of the GOP thinks that tanking the economy is a bad idea. But right now they don’t have the spine to go against the orange goblin or his followers.

[Muta]

Just a hunch, but I suspect once Trump dies (and hopefully he dies incredibly soon), the veil of the 'Trump aura' will lift and some Republicans start coming back down to Earth. Far from lots, but some might. Once the orange rapist is gone, it might embolden some to emerge from the shadows a bit.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

You'll see a bunch of fractures in the Republican party as to who they should follow as the "true" inheritor of the MAGA movement. Lots of people will be opportunistically attempting to seize the mantle and Vance doesn't have anywhere near a strong enough grip on it to prevent that. Hell, Don Jr. might want to give it a go. That alone is enough weakness to keep them from accomplishing many of the genuinely awful things they are in a position to do while he's still alive.

The day Trump dies will be a great day for the world.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

You'll see a bunch of fractures in the Republican party as to who they should follow as the "true" inheritor of the MAGA movement. Lots of people will be opportunistically attempting to seize the mantle and Vance doesn't have anywhere near a strong enough grip on it to prevent that. Hell, Don Jr. might want to give it a go. That alone is enough weakness to keep them from accomplishing many of the genuinely awful things they are in a position to do while he's still alive.

The day Trump dies will be a great day for the world.

Did you mean,

Spoiler!

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Muta

Just a hunch, but I suspect once Trump dies (and hopefully he dies incredibly soon), the veil of the 'Trump aura' will lift and some Republicans start coming back down to Earth. Far from lots, but some might. Once the orange rapist is gone, it might embolden some to emerge from the shadows a bit.

This is the delusion that allows them to continue to win.The left just thinks things will work themselves out. Tell me, how's that being going for the past decade?

[CliffFletcher]

The weird cult of Trump is obviously a big part of the problem. The bigger problem is his administration has shown that the checks, balances, and institutional norms that are supposed to restrain a president are cobwebs that can swept away by anyone who has contempt for them. Which means the path is clear for any other wannabe demagogues.

On the global front, Trump has proven that the American system can now throw up strongman leaders who see international affairs in strictly transactional terms. Going forward, other states can no longer assume they’ll be dealing with an America restrained (even imperfectly) by the rule of law, multilateralism, and liberal traditions.

There’s no putting the genie back in the bottle.

[bc-chris]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

People should brush up on Project 2025.

It’s what’s coming to America (or already has). The Republicans are no longer interested in democracy. Like guys, they’re doing nazi salutes. The time for hopes and dreams that people will come to their senses is over. Only thing that matters now are actions.

Corollary. Sentiments from Canadian Americans on this site. Gee whiz wish things weren’t this way, wish people weren’t MAGA. Okay. What are you doing about it, do you talk to them? Try to approach it from a common ground perspective to try and get them to see your side (and therefore ground themselves in SOME kind of reasonableness)? Shouldn’t you talk to people and let them know the dangers of losing your democracy? Time to stop side stepping conversations and ho humming away your country.

i've tried talking to some of the guys i know that for whatever reason love trump - it makes no sense to me, they are canadians, living in canada, but whatever.
any time i mention anything that is contrary to what trump stands for they come back with "fake news" and when i show them actual facts they just shrug it off - it's mind boggling.
i've mentioned this before...
i asked one guy about when a judge blocked one of the executive orders.
his reply was "that's how trump is going to know who all the crocked democrat judges are"
i replied that the judge is a republican
he came back with "well then he must have had a good reason then"


soooooo..... yea.

[missdpuck]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

People should brush up on Project 2025.

It’s what’s coming to America (or already has). The Republicans are no longer interested in democracy. Like guys, they’re doing nazi salutes. The time for hopes and dreams that people will come to their senses is over. Only thing that matters now are actions.

Corollary. Sentiments from Canadian Americans on this site. Gee whiz wish things weren’t this way, wish people weren’t MAGA. Okay. What are you doing about it, do you talk to them? Try to approach it from a common ground perspective to try and get them to see your side (and therefore ground themselves in SOME kind of reasonableness)? Shouldn’t you talk to people and let them know the dangers of losing your democracy? Time to stop side stepping conversations and ho humming away your country.

Yep. Kevin Roberts’ “Dawn’s Early Light” and “Unhumans”both made me physically ill. It’s all right there.

[dino7c]

Yeah its time to lite #### on fire...before its too late

[MarchHare]

Canada goose fights off bald eagle in rare, symbolism-laden battle on ice

Mervyn Sequeira, an Ontario photographer, was out with his family on a recent morning when they spotted a bald eagle descending towards a frozen lake.

Sensing a looming attack on unsuspecting prey, Sequeira scanned the landscape and saw a Canada goose, alone and vulnerable.

For the next 20 minutes, lens trained on the battle, Sequeira watched what he expected would be a lopsided fight with a grim coda.

Through bursts of his shutter, however, he captured a defiant goose fending off death.

“I’ve seen bald eagles take a lot of things, from ducks to muskrats. But this is the first time I’ve seen a bald eagle go in for something as big as a goose,” he said.

Despite multiple attacks by the eagle, the goose remained unbowed. The raptor, defeated, flew off.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ical-symbolism

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

A lot republicans are falling in line because of Trump.

Remove Trump from the equation and things absolutely change as that dynamic of group polarization we're witnessing dissipates and public opinions become more diffuse with the absence of fear of stepping out he instills (by antagonizing and lobbing off head of opposition) is no longer there.

No one is inspired by nor fears JD Vance, and no one else has the sociopathic frame to go with their fascist views that would be required to fill Trump's shoes.

It will be a good day for the world.

[KelVarnsen]

Elon would still be an issue so whatever kills Trump better kill Elon at the same time

[Ped]

I don't know. Trump said the quiet part out loud, which emboldened a lot of people to do the same. Don't think they're going to shut that back down too easily.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Unfortunately yeah, Trump paved the way to openly scolding and suppressing the rights of trans people and potentially other minorities and it's despicable that he's normalizing that in a political setting, but a Trump-less government wouldn't be as brazenly stupid on the economic front. There's no doubt that Trump is advancing in the face of pressure from higher ups who don't believe in tariffs as he does (probably because of they have a modicum of education and experience in that area). The lack of enthusiasm was audible in his speech when he touched on tariffs and the "disturbance".

It will be a long and tough road to come back on the social issues, but I think Vance buckles under internal pressure on economic-related policies where Trump would forge ahead.

[edslunch]

Canadian ingenuity preparing to defend our country. Chevy Katyusha

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The weird cult of Trump is obviously a big part of the problem. The bigger problem is his administration has shown that the checks, balances, and institutional norms that are supposed to restrain a president are cobwebs that can swept away by anyone who has contempt for them. Which means the path is clear for any other wannabe demagogues.

On the global front, Trump has proven that the American system can now throw up strongman leaders who see international affairs in strictly transactional terms. Going forward, other states can no longer assume they’ll be dealing with an America restrained (even imperfectly) by the rule of law, multilateralism, and liberal traditions.

There’s no putting the genie back in the bottle.

I always found it a bit odd that so many people (especially Democrats) fell back on institutional norms, etc., as bulwarks against Republican power grabs. It's always been clear as day that Republicans were going to try to push those boundaries until they broke.

It's always been a real scorpion and frog relationship.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Why would Trump care about approval ratings since he’s never leaving office?

Like, Americans know that right? That he’s never leaving office. Because he isn’t.

Oh he cares. It’s a direct measure of his self-worth.

[WideReceiver]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Why would Trump care about approval ratings since he’s never leaving office?

Like, Americans know that right? That he’s never leaving office. Because he isn’t.

He will leave office. They’ll either carry his corpse out of the White House or off the golf course. It’ll become a national holiday: Traitors Day. They’ll have to spread his ashes or drop him in an unmarked grave otherwise people will piss on it.