The Tariff Thread

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by FlameyMcFlameFace

Oh my! I didnt even notice the comments until you brought that to my attention. Wow! Im born and raised Albertan, i've never met anyone with this dialogue. What part of Alberta do these guys live?

Wherever it is, I suggest we rename it Vichy Alberta.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Stang

I want to like Ford's tough talk on electricity, but I do feel that we need to be careful. Trump is an autocrat, very unpredictable, and has virtually none of the traditional reservations or democratic guardrails in place anymore. He makes decisions on a whim via executive order.

Not saying to roll over, but I think that extreme measures like cutting off electricity should be approached with extreme caution. I think that would be very provocative (more so than other forms of retaliation) and could justify an irrational response from an autocrat like Trump.

I expect that if the trade war escalates, we'll see sanctions on Canada like travel restrictions, frozen assets, visa suspensions, export bans, etc... Tariffs are only a start for what they could do. I would not be surprised to see Trump go so far as to use war ships to blockade our ports.

I know that sounds alarmist and I don't want to believe it would ever go that far, but I put the chances of it getting to that point at greater than zero. They certainly have the ability to raise it to a level that Canada couldn't match, at least not without help from the global community.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't fight back. Even if it hurts us more than them, hurting them back still helps.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I expect that if the trade war escalates, we'll see sanctions on Canada like travel restrictions, frozen assets, visa suspensions, export bans, etc... Tariffs are only a start for what they could do. I would not be surprised to see Trump go so far as to use war ships to blockade our ports.

I know that sounds alarmist and I don't want to believe it would ever go that far, but I put the chances of it getting to that point at greater than zero. They certainly have the ability to raise it to a level that Canada couldn't match, at least not without help from the global community.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't fight back. Even if it hurts us more than them, hurting them back still helps.

They’ll just take over Canada if it goes that far

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

It's definitely not a conspiracy.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/twitt...iran-1.5014750


https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...affairs-expert


https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/articl...oreign-powers/

And it's not just Russia, China and India are deep at it too. That we in the western world continue to allow this to knowingly continue is a massive failure, and the results are obvious and successful, which means they will not stop until we destroy ourselves. The reality is a lot of people are just too simple to understand how they are being played, so we need governments to control it. Resist the siren song of the Russian misinformation posters saying that censorship is bad. Sometimes you require it to survive. I know many here will wretch at that point, but I gotta ask, how else do you see this playing out without doing something to stop it, which would necessarily be censorship? We either stop them, or let them install governments that will burn books, as they are in the south. We'll still get censorship, but not in the way that saves us.

Those are probably the same tweets Yoho was spamming us with for months. And others.

Gobbling up that Russian propaganda.

Nothing like getting your information from an ironclad source like X.

[WideReceiver]

From one of my favourite podcasters. Folks should check Craig out. Tariffs failed back then.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1896967412790276303

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

It might make sense to at least start the process and get a rate with a rate hold. I think some can be held for a few months. You aren't committed, but at least have that to fall back on.

Thank you for the advice. They gave me a 10 day hold at 4.21% not sure if that will be good or bad but at least protects me from a nasty spike in the coming week.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Thank you for the advice. They gave me a 10 day hold at 4.21% not sure if that will be good or bad but at least protects me from a nasty spike in the coming week.

Here is a timely article for you. Banks are expecting larger interest rates cuts with prolonged tariffs.
https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/business...riffs-in-play/

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by WideReceiver

Did he do all of those? I don’t know how it works in Ontario but in Alberta mayors don’t have those powers.

Wat? are you thinking of the late Rob Ford? Doug Ford is premier of Ontario...recently re-elected bigly

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Wat? are you thinking of the late Rob Ford?

Ya, that was weird. Ford is the premiere of Ontario, he absolutely can do all those things.

[madmike]

I live near Toronto. My wife and daughter are U.S. citizens. We love Buffalo - awesome city and friendly people. We always have a great time there. But we all feel a bit guilty about crossing the border now and spending money in the U.S. And getting attitude from the Canadian border guards. The whole situation just sucks. Hopefully it doesn’t last long.

[CroFlames]

When you thought it couldn't get any crazier, they are saying they will retaliate on the retaliatory tariffs by the same amount.

Meaning that the tariff could jump from 25% to 50% basically immediately.

It's in a trump tweet I saw on reddit and frankly I'm too disgusted to screencap and post it here.

I'm dumbfounded right now.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by WideReceiver

From one of my favourite podcasters. Folks should check Craig out. Tariffs failed back then.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1896967412790276303

hahaha. the modern day Republican looks the same way. Neanderthal looking grunt with a suit and an IQ of 70.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Don't retaliate, just collectively boycott (as much as we can)

That's all we need to do.

[2ArmBands]

Originally Posted by Regorium

Daycare policy helping out young families.
Greener homes grant leading to an incredible solar installation and efficiency improvement uptake with an individual's capital vs. taxpayer dollars.
Lower income taxes.
Building TMX.

Been economically great if you've been following the incentives. If you're not or ideologically opposed for your own personal reasons, then nothing the Liberals would've done would've been enough anyways.

If you are putting the management of TMX as a win for the Liberal government than I'm not sure what more needs to be said. A $34 billion dollar overrun and general mismanagement of that project mirrors the way in which they ran this country.

[FlamesAddiction]

I don't get the point of just targeting red states with tariffs. Pressure should be put on Democrat governors as well. Most of them also had a large number of Trump supporters that shouldn't be sheltered. Over time, if you just hurt red states, red people will just move to the blue states for jobs making those states more red.

[FlameyMcFlameFace]

So as a country. What do we do now? How do we get our ship sailing again, and then soaring? We need results now. America is a yesterday problem.

- sounds like getting our oil east-west Canada wide is almost impossible?

Wtf do we do to make Canada self reliant?

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by FlameyMcFlameFace

So as a country. What do we do now? How do we get our ship sailing again, and then soaring? We need results now. America is a yesterday problem.

- sounds like getting our oil east-west Canada wide is almost impossible?

Wtf do we do to make Canada self reliant?

It really comes down to finding new customers. Canada has vast manufacturing capability and O&G reserves. Need to find ways to get our goods & energy to other democratic countries.

Maybe both the Europeans and the Canadians were woken up today and find that a strong EUCAN partnership is the natural next step.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by 2ArmBands

If you are putting the management of TMX as a win for the Liberal government than I'm not sure what more needs to be said. A $34 billion dollar overrun and general mismanagement of that project mirrors the way in which they ran this country.

So you rather have it like the way Harper handled it and didn't build a damn metre of it.lol

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by FlameyMcFlameFace

- sounds like getting our oil east-west Canada wide is almost impossible?

Why do you think it's impossible?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Wat? are you thinking of the late Rob Ford? Doug Ford is premier of Ontario...recently re-elected bigly

Ironically he’s also granted some mayors more power…