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[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Andersson is having a phaneuf like trajectory.

Great first few years (esp offensively), now kind of a mess.

The guy played over 27 minutes last night. It's too much for him but the coaches just don't seem to trust some of the other defenders right now.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I love how the posters who want to see the Flames become the next generation of the Buffalo Sabres are saying the Kings offence was miles ahead of the Flames when they clearly were not. It boggles my mind how some fans are only happy if the team is either bad or heading toward it. Imagine a poster that is only happy when the team is losing and wants them to be bad for like the next decade telling me I have the worst takes on the forum lol.

The Kings were bottom 2(2012) and, bottom 6(2014) offence for their 2 cups, so they're not far off from the Flames in that regard. That said, I think they were the exception and not the rule in years when the NHL as a whole had less scoring(2.67 goals per team per game vs. 3.08 over the last 3 seasons).

The Flames are a bit short in star power compared to those Kings teams that had 8 players that played in all-star games:
Quick was a top 3 goalie in those years, Wolf isn't there yet, but I'll give you that one:

• Conn Smythe(2012)
• Jennings Trophy(2014, 2018)
• Vezina Trophy Finalist(2012)
• NHL All-Star(2012, 2016, 2018)

Doughty was already 3rd in D-scoring in his somophere season in 2010, and was a Norris finalist, we don't have that in Weegar, maybe Parekh will come close:

• Norris Trophy (2016)
• Norris Trophy Finalist(3rd in 2010, 2nd in 2015)
  
• NHL All-Rookie Team (2009)
• NHL All-Star (2010, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019)
• Olympic All-Star Team (2014)

Kopitar, was and still is one of the best shut down centres in the NHL. Backlund isn't anywhere near that, and the Flames don't have that player in their system.

• Selke Trophy (2016, 2018)
• Lady Byng Trophy (2016, 2023)
• NHL All-Star (2008, 2011, 2015, 2018, 2020)
• Messier Award (2022)

Gaborik - 3 x 40G scorer 4 x 30G scorer and one of the top offensive wingers in the NHL, that had trouble staying healthy.

• NHL All-Star (2003, 2008, 2012)

J. Williams - 3 cups, A couple of 30G seasons prior to the Kings

• Conn-Smythe (2014)
• NHL All-Star (2007)

Brown - I could see Kadri filling a similar role.

• NHL All-Star (2009)
• King Clancy nominations (2010, 2011, 2012, 2013)
• Messier Award (2014)
• Foundation Player Award (2011)

HM: Mike Richards(All-Star in 2008), Jeff Carter(All-Star in 2009, 2017), Willie Mitchel that was a very good D-men towards the end of his career, Regehr was solid for them in 2014.

My point is that the Flames need to find a way to find a couple more stars, hopefully they can do it picking outside of the top 10. They also need to get a couple more solid D like Regehr, Mitchell, and Martinez to play that brand of hockey.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

It’s time to give up the coach schtick.

This is a painfully mediocre team that this coaching staff is getting everything out of and then some.

There are problems in the Flames organization. Coaching is at the bottom of the list of our concerns.

They are mediocre in the aggregate. Great goaltending with good defensive structure but absolute void of any offensive difference makers. The Flames may very well end up with the worst GF in the entire league, it's remarkable that they're in a playoff spot.

Conroy needs to get rid off all the veterans possible by Friday. And it sounds like he will. Pull the plug.

[Goriders]

Looking at the lineup now Backlund and Coleman seem to be done. Sharangovich adds no value anymore and I doubt anything is going to change. Farabee is also starting to look like a more physical Sharangovich.

I’d say those are the worst offenders. I would guess they don’t touch:

Huberdeau
Kadri
Coronato
Frost
Zary
Lomberg
Pretty sure they wouldn’t trade Backlund and will let him play out his contract.

[Erick Estrada]

Not sure if Coleman is done as he's still near his career norm stats and it's probably Backlund's steep decline that's not helping him. Still I think the Flames should be shopping Coleman if there's interest as he's going to be 34 next season and best to trade him while you can, in case his play drops off fast.

[calumniate]

Looking at the box score Farabee with 0 turnovers. Huh? He got stripped at the offensive blueline at least twice. He had a chance to dump it in late in the game, got stripped while entering the canes zone that led to us losing Bahl. Was a horrible game from him

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

So, he's not a #1-2 dman?

I think he's ideally slotted as a really good #3.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by the cobra

no one wants them to be the buffalo sabres. With lottery luck, maybe we become the chicago blackhawks/pittsburgh penguins?

fyp

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The guy played over 27 minutes last night. It's too much for him but the coaches just don't seem to trust some of the other defenders right now.

I think Andersson is still really good and people are focusing a lot on mistakes that just come with the territory of playing those minutes.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Not sure if Coleman is done as he's still near his career norm stats and it's probably Backlund's steep decline that's not helping him. Still I think the Flames should be shopping Coleman if there's interest as he's going to be 34 next season and best to trade him while you can, in case his play drops off fast.

At this point if coleman and Backlund aren’t adding value they are standing in the way of a young player and their chance to develop

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I think Andersson is still really good and people are focusing a lot on mistakes that just come with the territory of playing those minutes.

I think they will resign Andersson. Or at least try. He might not want to stay though.

[ForeverFlameFan]

I love Andersson, but I’d rather sell him while his value is high. We need to be signing stopgaps while Parekh, Brzu, and Mews are developing on the right side.

He’s just not that good this year.

[boogerz]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I think Andersson is still really good and people are focusing a lot on mistakes that just come with the territory of playing those minutes.

Exactly. There are only a handful of defenseman in the league that can handle playing 25+ mins per night of mistake free hockey. Not to mention Andersson is also deployed on the shutdown pairing, even though that role doesn't align with his skill set

Andersson has a ton of utility as a veteran two-way #2/3 defenseman. The Flames have to keep him unless they're trading him for a direct upgrade (i.e. similar to the Moser for Sergachev trade), otherwise your defense turns into the current state of the Hawks' defense where it solely consists of prospects that are over their head and lower-end UFA mercenaries

[Calgary4LIfe]

Flames are so close between making the playoffs and getting a top 10 pick. I expect Conroy to make a small move(s) by the trade deadline, but I am just unsure if that is selling and/or acting as a middle-man, or buying. Either way, the small add may be enough to push the Flames into the playoffs, or the small sell will be enough to push them into a top 10 pick.


Who would have thought it would be this close at the trade deadline?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

This guy thinks we have a team comparable to Stanley Cup Winners of the past. When we essentially have no first line forwards and one first line dman.

Considering we have almost no scoring talent whatsoever, it's amazing we are where we are in the standings. Is this team really so different than the bottom teams, minus goaltending?

Except we are on pace to outscore that Kings team. Do you ever get anything right man?

[heep223]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I love Andersson, but I’d rather sell him while his value is high. We need to be signing stopgaps while Parekh, Brzu, and Mews are developing on the right side.

He’s just not that good this year.

I think he’s been quite good on the whole. He’s getting a ton of ice in all situations and faces top lines every night. He’s really a #2/3 and being treated like a #1.

It’s kinda like when the top giveaway leaders every season are some of the best players in the nhl.

[redmile04]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

We get it. You want the Flames to become the Buffalo Sabres. We get it.

I don't think anyone wants that but do we not get the same vibe of 06/07 if we make playoffs? Barely make it and get embarrassed . Kipper was lights out that year and stole us 2 wins, lost in 6. The same will happen this year with how little we score if we sneak in, probably a sweep or a 5 game loss if Wolf steals one...

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I think Andersson is still really good and people are focusing a lot on mistakes that just come with the territory of playing those minutes.

I think right now he's obviously under a microscope as the lynch pin for team rebuild vs win now.

I've never been down with Ras's decision making, though, and it seems it's made worse when the stakes are higher. I can't think of a player I've watched who makes worse reads at the absolute worst times.

If this team was in its win now window, I'm still not sure I'd sign him for what he will likely command.

Like Lindholm, I could see whoever pays Ras regretting the signing. Maybe not as quick as it's happened with Lindholm, but within 2-3 years.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

I think right now he's obviously under a microscope as the lynch pin for team rebuild vs win now.

I've never been down with Ras's decision making, though, and it seems it's made worse when the stakes are higher. I can't think of a player I've watched who makes worse reads at the absolute worst times.

If this team was in its win now window, I'm still not sure I'd sign him for what he will likely command.

Like Lindholm, I could see whoever pays Ras regretting the signing. Maybe not as quick as it's happened with Lindholm, but within 2-3 years.

Lindholm is a good comparison.

When Johnny and Chucky left, he fell off a cliff. Andersson lost Hanifin and he has struggled in an elevated role. HIs play was declining prior to this.

He is going to get paid 1st pairing money and he is a 2nd pairing guy. Just like Lindholm wanted 1st line C money, and he is putting up 2nd line numbers and unable to carry a line.

[blankall]

If someone is willing to offer a package for Andersson that values him at anything more than #3, you take it IMO, especially if Andersson is looking for $8+ million/year. Solid asset management to move him.

Andersson is a very solid top 4 d-man, but does not look like a top pairing guy to me, unless it's to compliment a better top pairing guy.