[Trade] Frost + Farabee from PHI to CGY for Pelletier + Kuzmenko + 25 2nd + 28 7th

[Paulie Walnuts]

How does that make him odd ? 49 points and touches other parts of the game. It’s not just about points

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

How does that make him odd ? 49 points and touches other parts of the game. It’s not just about points

Players with a career high of 49 points, especially centers generally aren't looked upon as high end players playing on the likes of team Canada or seen as good value at 4th overall. Like I can't think of another example that people around the league would rate as highly as Bennett.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Players with a career high of 49 points, especially centers generally aren't looked upon as high end players playing on the likes of team Canada or seen as good value at 4th overall. Like I can't think of another example that people around the league would rate as highly as Bennett.

If we use his Florida numbers he’s a .67 point player which over a season would be 55 which is right on track with Kadri. He brings a lot the things Kadri brings as well.

He said he was a center so we decided he was going to be a 4th line energy winger.

Don’t think it’s odd at all he’s a guy that competes and gets after it in big games.

[SuperMatt18]

Bennett is a bit of an outlier when it comes to career point production and playing on team Canada. But he has proven to be a very effective 2nd line center, that can also play physical and is suited to tighter checking games.

https://www.statmuse.com/nhl/ask/4th...icks-nhl-draft

He fits in with this group at 4th OV for sure. Not in the top end with Backstrom, Makar, Pietrangelo, or Marner but I'd say he's comparable to some of the others (Kane, Ladd, Johansen, B. Tkachuk, etc)

Not a home run at 4th OV but in the end is okay value at that spot, just needed a coach that trusted him to play center and his style of play to unlock it.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Players with a career high of 49 points, especially centers generally aren't looked upon as high end players playing on the likes of team Canada or seen as good value at 4th overall. Like I can't think of another example that people around the league would rate as highly as Bennett.

David Bolland might be a comparable somewhat.

2nd round pick with a career high of 47 points, 37 next best season.

39 points per 82 games regular season, 53 during playoffs, where he was a beast.

Absolutely instrumental in the Hawks first 2 SC wins, shutting down the Sedins and Thornton among others.

Injuries derailed his career, as he simply couldn't play like he did in the playoffs long term.

[Strange Brew]

Bennett is about to turn 29 and his career high in points for a season is 49. This is a fact and really can't be dismissed by looking at points per game or trends. Injuries and inconsistency are part of the Sam Bennett story.

All that said, he has proven to be incredibly effective and he elevates his game the more intense the games get. I wish he was still here but he is a better fit on a team that consistently makes the playoffs.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Bennett is about to turn 29 and his career high in points for a season is 49. This is a fact and really can't be dismissed by looking at points per game or trends. Injuries and inconsistency are part of the Sam Bennett story.

All that said, he has proven to be incredibly effective and he elevates his game the more intense the games get. I wish he was still here but he is a better fit on a team that consistently makes the playoffs.

Players like that can fall off the cliff quickly due to constant injuries.

Someone will regret signing him as a UFA of they give him term.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Players like that can fall off the cliff quickly due to constant injuries.

Someone will regret signing him as a UFA of they give him term.

Bennett will have a lot of bidders. Whoever signs him will almost certainly end up signing a contract they regret sooner than later. It'll be at least 7 years and likely north of $8 million.

[dustygoon]

Starting to think the return we got for trading Bennett might not have been adequate.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Starting to think the return we got for trading Bennett might not have been adequate.

TBH for what Bennett was at that exact moment in time it was an overpayment.

He was a forward that required an expansion draft protection slot, that was having an absolutely terrible two season stretch where he had 12 goals and 24 points in his previous 90 games.

Florida bet on his potential though and ended up working out gloriously for them.

Bennett's failure in Calgary wasn't the trade return, it was they somehow completely mismanaged him and played him as a bottom 6 winger for 4 seasons and not really trying him as a top 9 center even though his best stretch of play over that entire time period was in the 19-20 bubble where he had 8 points in 10 games centering Dube and Lucic...only for them to abandon that when the season started again the next year (partially because they moved Lindholm to C which also worked pretty gloriously as the 12-28-19 line).

Seems pretty crazy that a roster that had Backlund, Bennett, Monahan, and Lindholm could never seem to figure out their center depth to have all those guys effectively play center for this team.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

TBH for what Bennett was at that exact moment in time it was an overpayment.

He was a forward that required an expansion draft protection slot, that was having an absolutely terrible two season stretch where he had 12 goals and 24 points in his previous 90 games.

Florida bet on his potential though and ended up working out gloriously for them.

Bennett's failure in Calgary wasn't the trade return, it was they somehow completely mismanaged him and played him as a bottom 6 winger for 4 seasons and not really trying him as a top 9 center even though his best stretch of play over that entire time period was in the 19-20 bubble where he had 8 points in 10 games centering Dube and Lucic...only for them to abandon that when the season started again the next year (partially because they moved Lindholm to C which also worked pretty gloriously as the 12-28-19 line).

Seems pretty crazy that a roster that had Backlund, Bennett, Monahan, and Lindholm could never seem to figure out their center depth to have all those guys effectively play center for this team.

I think that's part of it.

I also think the player didn't find his way, and that happens.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

TBH for what Bennett was at that exact moment in time it was an overpayment.

He was a forward that required an expansion draft protection slot, that was having an absolutely terrible two season stretch where he had 12 goals and 24 points in his previous 90 games.

Florida bet on his potential though and ended up working out gloriously for them.

Bennett's failure in Calgary wasn't the trade return, it was they somehow completely mismanaged him and played him as a bottom 6 winger for 4 seasons and not really trying him as a top 9 center even though his best stretch of play over that entire time period was in the 19-20 bubble where he had 8 points in 10 games centering Dube and Lucic...only for them to abandon that when the season started again the next year (partially because they moved Lindholm to C which also worked pretty gloriously as the 12-28-19 line).

Seems pretty crazy that a roster that had Backlund, Bennett, Monahan, and Lindholm could never seem to figure out their center depth to have all those guys effectively play center for this team.

They couldn't split up 13-23-28 because one of the other lines didn't work in the bubble and we missed Tkachuk.

I remember before camp Geoff Ward said we asked Sam what position he wants to play and when the practice rosters came out he was playing on the wing on the bottom lines again. Embarrassing stuff.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Starting to think the return we got for trading Bennett might not have been adequate.

He was on the market for a year+

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

They couldn't split up 13-23-28 because one of the other lines didn't work in the bubble and we missed Tkachuk.

I remember before camp Geoff Ward said we asked Sam what position he wants to play and when the practice rosters came out he was playing on the wing on the bottom lines again. Embarrassing stuff.

The team seemed to have a fear of moving Tkachuk out of that bottom semi-defensive line with Backlund. A major opportunity was missed by not putting Tkachuk and Bennett together.

[SuperMatt18]

Looking back now and it's pretty obvious that something like;

Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Tkachuk - Bennett - Neal
Jankowski - Backlund - Frolik
Mangiapane - Ryan - Hathaway

Should have even how that team set up its forward lines in the 18-19 and then 19-20 seasons.

And actually shut Monahan down if he's hurt and can barely walks and shift Lindholm to center

[868904]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

TBH for what Bennett was at that exact moment in time it was an overpayment.

He was a forward that required an expansion draft protection slot, that was having an absolutely terrible two season stretch where he had 12 goals and 24 points in his previous 90 games.

Florida bet on his potential though and ended up working out gloriously for them.

Bennett's failure in Calgary wasn't the trade return, it was they somehow completely mismanaged him and played him as a bottom 6 winger for 4 seasons and not really trying him as a top 9 center even though his best stretch of play over that entire time period was in the 19-20 bubble where he had 8 points in 10 games centering Dube and Lucic...only for them to abandon that when the season started again the next year (partially because they moved Lindholm to C which also worked pretty gloriously as the 12-28-19 line).

Seems pretty crazy that a roster that had Backlund, Bennett, Monahan, and Lindholm could never seem to figure out their center depth to have all those guys effectively play center for this team.

Bennett was also playing well under Darryl. First time since Hartley that he had a real coach who knew how to utilize him properly. Tre was probably thinking he was selling high on Bennett at the time, but I bet Darryl wasn't too happy that Tre traded him. He was definitely a Sutter type of player. I'm not saying Tre made the wrong move with Bennett, cause there was also the risk that his success under Sutter was a short term thing, but in hindsight, we now know that it wasn't a blip and all he needed was a coach who believed in him and could use him properly.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Sam Bennett was the 2nd line center of a Stanley Cup winning team, and is playing for Canada in a Best on Best tournament.

It's beginning to look like the issue with Sam Bennett was his development and how he was coached in Calgary, more than actually being a disappointing pick.

To your point not a superstar or in the realm of Draisaitl who went 3rd overall...but really in terms of historical 4th overall picks really isn't a bad pick.

He's averaged under 40 pts a season over his career. That's disappointing for a top 5 pick. Outside the top 10 I'd say strong value. Top 5 that's average value.

[Vinny01]

In pretty surprised that in an extremely small sample size that this trade has not helped add a scoring punch to the team. You see flashes from both players but I won’t lie I expected the team to get a jolt after the trade but it appears to be the opposite.

[Ped]

Well, players often take time to acclimate to new teams. But those expecting an immediate impact were probably disappointed. There is a reason Philly wanted to trade these two guys.


But the Flames clearly made this move for the long haul. They're going to give them every chance to contribute, I would think.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

In pretty surprised that in an extremely small sample size that this trade has not helped add a scoring punch to the team. You see flashes from both players but I won’t lie I expected the team to get a jolt after the trade but it appears to be the opposite.

Nobody is coming in and helping the team score in this system. I don't care who they are.