[Trade] CHI trade Seth Jones (25% retained), 26 4th to FLA for Spencer Knight, 1st

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

The rumor that we wanted Jones has to be one of the most concerning things I have heard. We can't seriously be this short-sighted of an organization.

Just imagine if Lindholm and Hanifin and Jones didn't say no to us. This would have been a disaster.

I never said we wanted him, but inquiring could mean any number of things including eating salary and or 3 way trading for a better asset.
Don’t panic, I don’t believe for a second that Calgary had any intention to actually trade for him and use him for a roster spot. They’re looking to get younger long term.

[devo22]

I don't see the issue here. Good GMs kick tires all the time, that doesn't mean anything ... are we really going to bitch about Conroy and a move he didn't make? Come on now.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I never said we wanted him, but inquiring could mean any number of things including eating salary and or 3 way trading for a better asset.
Don’t panic, I don’t believe for a second that Calgary had any intention to actually trade for him and use him for a roster spot. They’re looking to get younger long term.

My comment was a joke.

But yeah I never took it as Conroy being interested in the player. He’s talked about retaining plenty of times.

Retaining on Jones doesn’t make sense just with the length of the contract. We don’t have any bad contracts to dump either that are tradable.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I never said we wanted him, but inquiring could mean any number of things including eating salary and or 3 way trading for a better asset.
Don’t panic, I don’t believe for a second that Calgary had any intention to actually trade for him and use him for a roster spot. They’re looking to get younger long term.

Being a third team in a retention crossed my mind.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Andrew

Jones is having decent yrar Chicago sucks...

Florida wins. Jones is big. Big wins
Maurice does a good job with those types.

He’s actually been terrible this year, the question will be be better with Florida.

When Jones has been out of the lineup, Chicago has been much better than when he plays.

[TheIronMaiden]

The D men in Chicago get absolutely no puck support.
I think that Jones' struggles are exaggerated.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Jones sucked before Chicago tho. Reason why everyone thought it was a terrible trade and contract.

He belongs on the Oilers.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

This again?

You don't need the best goalie in the game to win, but you do need good goaltending to be in contention. See: Flames for the entire Monahan Gaudreau era.

Goalies may be a dime a dozen, but getting a good one, especially one that is young and still developing, is insanely hard. The Panthers were in a great position for their future with Knight slowly taking over the starting net. Now what's the plan? #### if I know.

All for Seth Jones.

Advanced stats aside, because we know that being on a bad team can skew things, but have you watched Jones in the last 5 or 6 years play a game and think to yourself "yeah, that guy's a winner"?

Nope. It's a dumb decision and I'm going to yell and scream about it for quite some time. Even if he plays well in the short term, it's a bad move long term.

Knight was never taking the net while Bob is playing, the SC win cemented that. Just from his POV, I think this is great for Knight too, to be able to establish himself as a #1. Incredibly humble and spoke openly what he's been through, wish nothing but the best for him.



I think you're wrong about the long term thing though, it's all about now for a SC contender. There is nothing to play for in five years, Florida will be done by then and will have to retool/build. Thinking long term is for teams like the Flames.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I never said we wanted him, but inquiring could mean any number of things including eating salary and or 3 way trading for a better asset.
Don’t panic, I don’t believe for a second that Calgary had any intention to actually trade for him and use him for a roster spot. They’re looking to get younger long term.

hahahaahahaahaahahahahahahahaahahaha

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Jones sucked before Chicago tho. Reason why everyone thought it was a terrible trade and contract.

He belongs on the Oilers.

He was a bit inconsistent and I don't think it was because people thought he sucked

People just thought Chicago way overpaid in terms of both trade capital and the salary.

But he had Norris votes for 4 straight seasons in Columbus, and then had a bad season which was when Columbus smartly traded him instead of trying to re-sign him.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Jones will likely look a lot better on the Panthers though.

Knowing the Panthers team structure and ability to turn guys around he will probably look like a legitimate top pairing guy again.

Nobody would look good on Chicago.

Wouldn’t the same thought process apply to every defenceman? If every trade target is going to improve their quality of game on your team wouldn’t it be smarter to pick who:

A) Cost less to acquire or;
B) Perform better at the same acquisition cost

If we didn’t have Wolf on the team and Florida wanted Andersson for Knight and a first that would be a great trade for both teams. I value Andersson significantly more than Jones.

[SuperMatt18]

Oh I think it was 100% an overpayment.

I just think Jones probably will end up looking better in Florida than he did in Chicago.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

He was a bit inconsistent and I don't think it was because people thought he sucked

People just thought Chicago way overpaid in terms of both trade capital and the salary.

But he had Norris votes for 4 straight seasons in Columbus, and then had a bad season which was when Columbus smartly traded him instead of trying to re-sign him.

Sounds like a situation coming up here shortly b

[flambers]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Oh I think it was 100% an overpayment.

I just think Jones probably will end up looking better in Florida than he did in Chicago.

My guess, Jones will be a great acquisition for the Panthers,

Surrounded with talent, he will score.

[Derek Sutton]

Always thought Jones had negative value, this looks absurd from a Florida perspective. I believe Chicago is now “full” on cap retention spots (which makes the Rantenen retention even more questionable) now, so that is all they are really “out”. Conroy should really be looking to move Anderson now, based on this deal, he should net a first and a prospect.

Chicago really has to examine how they are going to start improving. Really one of the poorest/ prospect pools in the league right now.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

Always thought Jones had negative value, this looks absurd from a Florida perspective. I believe Chicago is now “full” on cap retention spots (which makes the Rantenen retention even more questionable) now, so that is all they are really “out”. Conroy should really be looking to move Anderson now, based on this deal, he should net a first and a prospect.

Chicago really has to examine how they are going to start improving. Really one of the poorest/ prospect pools in the league right now.

Huh ? They have one of if not the best prospect pool and will add another top 3 pick this year

https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-farm-system-rankings/

They also have 4 firsts and 5 2nds over the next two drafts and 37 million in Projected cap space next year

Improving shouldn’t be an issue at all

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by flambers

My guess, Jones will be a great acquisition for the Panthers,

Surrounded with talent, he will score.

this isn't his issue...his D is the problem. (thats what she said) An old player card keeps getting posted by mistake (or propaganda) but this is actually his more recent one. Seems like a big risk even at 7Mx5 for a 30 year old. Not to mention the 1st and good young goalie...I lean more in the Cali direction so far...unless they win a cup this season then its worth it. I can't see any way that they aren't a worse team next year and moving forward with yet another pick/prospect gone and a questionable contract moving forward. Its like the Brett Hull deal, doesn't look good but win a cup and we can't say ####.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I never said we wanted him, but inquiring could mean any number of things including eating salary and or 3 way trading for a better asset.
Don’t panic, I don’t believe for a second that Calgary had any intention to actually trade for him and use him for a roster spot. They’re looking to get younger long term.

Despite every trade that Conroy has made being an attempt to get younger and build out the prospect base and despite insiders all saying that is what the Flames are trying to do, I am sceptical. Some posters say they are not doing that and that they are trying to supercharge a retool.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

Always thought Jones had negative value, this looks absurd from a Florida perspective. I believe Chicago is now “full” on cap retention spots (which makes the Rantenen retention even more questionable) now, so that is all they are really “out”. Conroy should really be looking to move Anderson now, based on this deal, he should net a first and a prospect.

Chicago really has to examine how they are going to start improving. Really one of the poorest/ prospect pools in the league right now.

Two of their retention spots end at the end of the year.

The Hockey writers rank their prospect pool #1.

The,New York Times #4.

While there is obviously lots of opinions out there, they are a long way from “one of the poorest prospect pools in the NHL.”

And tons of draft picks coming up over the next two years, with 4 firsts and 5 seconds. Plus their pick this year will be very high.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dino7c

this isn't his issue...his D is the problem. (thats what she said) An old player card keeps getting posted by mistake (or propaganda) but this is actually his more recent one. Seems like a big risk even at 7Mx5 for a 30 year old. Not to mention the 1st and good young goalie...I lean more in the Cali direction so far...unless they win a cup this season then its worth it. I can't see any way that they aren't a worse team next year and moving forward with yet another pick/prospect gone and a questionable contract moving forward. Its like the Brett Hull deal, doesn't look good but win a cup and we can't say ####.

And the graph slopes very much downward, as he keeps trending the wrong way.