03-01-2025, 04:55 PM
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#1301
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
Yeah, it's working, they can't even score most nights but it's working. If it wasn't for Wolf they would be bottom 5 because of this system. Wrong again.
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Not because of the system. Because this is a below average to bad team.
That is propped up by elite goaltending.
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03-01-2025, 05:01 PM
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#1302
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Crash and Bang Winger
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Originally Posted by Flamesfan05
Still hope for top 10
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It’s odd how close things are this season. For as much as we’ve exceeded expectations, we’re still only 3 points out of the bottom 10. And depending on tonight’s games, we might only be 2 points out by the end of the night.
For the record, I would really love to see this team get in just to defy the odds but if we’re going to falll short, it’s at least promising that we still have a shot at keeping our first.
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03-01-2025, 05:28 PM
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#1303
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Franchise Player
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After tomorrow's loss, it will be clear what needs to happen. Move on from vets, get any quality futures you can, keep getting younger.
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03-01-2025, 05:51 PM
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#1304
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Mathgod
After tomorrow's loss, it will be clear what needs to happen. Move on from vets, get any quality futures you can, keep getting younger.
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It has been a pretty good 48 hours for the tank crowd, a renewed sense of optimism is in the air. Tough start to the road trip for the tank crowd though, dominating the future Presidents Cup trophy winners was not great.
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03-01-2025, 06:28 PM
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#1305
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
He is getting premium ice time in a system that does not allow him to use his abilities. If you traded him to even a team that can't win like Nashville that plays East/West I would bet you anything he is a 90+ point guy again. Prime Mario Lemieux wouldn't break 100 points under this coach.
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He managed 55 points playing under Sutter, where guys like Johnny and Tkachuk thrived.
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03-01-2025, 06:33 PM
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#1306
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by The Cobra
He managed 55 points playing under Sutter, where guys like Johnny and Tkachuk thrived.
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lol because Sutter gets the most offensive output out of guys. That was an outlier for him as a coach.
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03-01-2025, 07:15 PM
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#1307
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Aarongavey
It has been a pretty good 48 hours for the tank crowd, a renewed sense of optimism is in the air. Tough start to the road trip for the tank crowd though, dominating the future Presidents Cup trophy winners was not great.
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At this point you are either on "team tank" or "team delusional". It's obvious what we should be doing at the deadline.
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03-01-2025, 07:16 PM
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#1308
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Rhett44
At this point you are either on "team tank" or "team delusional". It's obvious what we should be doing at the deadline.
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Nobody has ever wanted rentals at the deadline...nobody I know anyway
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03-01-2025, 07:17 PM
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#1309
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhett44
Not because of the system. Because this is a below average to bad team.
That is propped up by elite goaltending.
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.899 isnt elite
Wolf has been very good for a rookie but maybe like 8-10 in the NHL...today aside Vladar has been mostly bad
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Last edited by dino7c; 03-01-2025 at 07:30 PM.
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03-01-2025, 07:20 PM
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#1310
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: I'm somewhere where I don't know where I am
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It’s obvious most of “team tank” has likely never played anything at a competitive level
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03-01-2025, 07:42 PM
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#1311
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Quote:
Originally Posted by All In Good Time
It’s obvious most of “team tank” has likely never played anything at a competitive level
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Oh I get it as a player. But, as a fan I'm tired of being in the mushy middle.
I want to win a cup one day. And you can't win those without elite talent.
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03-01-2025, 08:16 PM
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#1312
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: I'm somewhere where I don't know where I am
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhett44
Oh I get it as a player. But, as a fan I'm tired of being in the mushy middle.
I want to win a cup one day. And you can't win those without elite talent.
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Oh
As a fan?
Well, as long as you buy the 41 tickets per year for the next 4 or 5 years of “horrible” (if the first scorched earth is successful) then there’s really nothing to discuss
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03-01-2025, 08:51 PM
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#1313
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by All In Good Time
Oh
As a fan?
Well, as long as you buy the 41 tickets per year for the next 4 or 5 years of “horrible” (if the first scorched earth is successful) then there’s really nothing to discuss
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Fan interest will wane if they consistently end up outside of the playoffs. The only play the Flames have at this point is going for Patterson or Cozens and hoping they bounce back if they try to only re-tool from here on out. They have no real star power on the forward core and are bottom five in offense for that reason.
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03-01-2025, 08:55 PM
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#1314
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: I'm somewhere where I don't know where I am
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Yep
I suspect you are right. There are some really lean years ahead if we go scorched earth
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03-01-2025, 08:58 PM
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#1315
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by All In Good Time
Yep
I suspect you are right. There are some really lean years ahead if we go scorched earth
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Likely even more lean years ahead if they follow the current course.
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03-01-2025, 09:20 PM
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#1316
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: I'm somewhere where I don't know where I am
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Cobra
Likely even more lean years ahead if they follow the current course.
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That’s debatable isn’t it?
Scorched earth pretty much guarantees 4 years of crap if the first one is successful. But, like I said, as long as 15 or 16 thousand buy 41 tickets a year for 4 or 5 years AND the first run at a complete tear down/rebuild is successful AND we still have a decent goalie, there isn’t anything to worry about.
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03-01-2025, 09:37 PM
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#1317
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Aarongavey
It has been a pretty good 48 hours for the tank crowd, a renewed sense of optimism is in the air. Tough start to the road trip for the tank crowd though, dominating the future Presidents Cup trophy winners was not great.
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20 years of win-now mentality, resulting in zero west final appearances, is a pretty strong argument against continuing the win-now mentality, don't you think?
For the record, I'm not on team tank, I'm on team good-asset-management. I'm also on team realism. If you don't have the talent needed to make the playoffs, it is foolish to keep gunning for the 16th overall pick. It's even more foolish to trade away futures just to squeak into the playoffs and become first round fodder.
Get younger, move out aging vets for draft picks, keep improving the team's prospect pool through the draft. Conny has done well so far, and needs to continue this path.
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03-01-2025, 10:32 PM
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#1318
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mathgod
20 years of win-now mentality, resulting in zero west final appearances, is a pretty strong argument against continuing the win-now mentality, don't you think?
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What were they trying to ‘win now’ when they sold off Iginla, Bouwmeester, and anything else they could move in 2013?
What were they trying to ‘win now’ when they shipped out half a dozen pending free agents last season?
This idea that the team has been following the exact same strategy for 20 straight years is a damned lie, and a very stupid and tiresome one.
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03-01-2025, 10:43 PM
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#1319
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Stop pushing for mediocrity and let's tank and restart.
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03-01-2025, 10:55 PM
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#1320
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhett44
Stop pushing for mediocrity and let's tank and restart.
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As Bingo likes to point out, this team went into the season with $20 million in cap space and the second-lowest payroll in the league. That is not ‘pushing for mediocrity’.
At this point, the only effective way to tank would be to trade Wolf so he can't spoil the tank by stealing games. You up for that?
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