Making the playoffs or keeping our top-10 first round pick 2025?

[dino7c]

I can't wait until this dumb thread is dead

Flames have 3 firsts, they keep 2. Its been the same debate with the same points for months and months. Flames are not getting a top pick...lets get on with our lives.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I love the resilience of this team though. We're gonna do what they say can't be done. We've got a long way to go and a short time to get there.

The real question is: Does Huska deserve some credit?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

The real question is: Does Huska deserve some credit?

Nope. This is the players being a tight knit group in the locker room.
Huska gets credit for this team not being able to score with the system he has them playing. With the right system this team is probably cemented in the top 3 in the Pacific right now.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Nope. This is the players being a tight knit group in the locker room.
Huska gets credit for this team not being able to score with the system he has them playing. With the right system this team is probably cemented in the top 3 in the Pacific right now.

What could the team or Huska do that would cause you to give him any credit?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

What could the team or Huska do that would cause you to give him any credit?

Play a system more structured to your lineup. This team is not talentless up front, they just play a system tailored to a big hulking less talented group instead of the East/West hockey they should be playing. Huberdeau didn't fall off a cliff, you can't expect a high skill players like that to produce when everything is funneled back to the point. It also doesn't work because everything coming from the point needs big players to screen the goalie, almost all of our point shots have no screen. You could even have your 3rd and 4th lines playing always back defence first if you want but your top 6 has to be able to create offence and they can't under this system. This is Darryl Sutter hockey without the shot volume. It's fine for a large physical lineup but it doesn't work with this forward group.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Nope. This is the players being a tight knit group in the locker room.
Huska gets credit for this team not being able to score with the system he has them playing. With the right system this team is probably cemented in the top 3 in the Pacific right now.

I think a head coach has a lot to do with a locker room.

And I think the system they play was required with two (maybe now 3 top 5 NHL defensemen).

Pretty hard for a consensus bottom five team to be in the playoff mix and not have the coach get some kudos.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Play a system more structured to your lineup. This team is not talentless up front, they just play a system tailored to a big hulking less talented group instead of the East/West hockey they should be playing. Huberdeau didn't fall off a cliff, you can't expect a high skill players like that to produce when everything is funneled back to the point. It also doesn't work because everything coming from the point needs big players to screen the goalie, almost all of our point shots have no screen. You could even have your 3rd and 4th lines playing always back defence first if you want but your top 6 has to be able to create offence and they can't under this system. This is Darryl Sutter hockey without the shot volume. It's fine for a large physical lineup but it doesn't work with this forward group.

Except it seems to be working.

[EVERLAST]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Play a system more structured to your lineup. This team is not talentless up front, they just play a system tailored to a big hulking less talented group instead of the East/West hockey they should be playing. Huberdeau didn't fall off a cliff, you can't expect a high skill players like that to produce when everything is funneled back to the point. It also doesn't work because everything coming from the point needs big players to screen the goalie, almost all of our point shots have no screen. You could even have your 3rd and 4th lines playing always back defence first if you want but your top 6 has to be able to create offence and they can't under this system. This is Darryl Sutter hockey without the shot volume. It's fine for a large physical lineup but it doesn't work with this forward group.

https://www.statmuse.com/nhl/ask?q=n...4-2025+by+team

Flames are currently 10th in shots per game. So I'd say it's still exactly both versions of Darryl Sutter hockey which IS the problem

Perimeter shots , no traffic and no one with the balls to stand in front of that net prepared to die for rebounds etc etc etc

Yesrs we had success and went deep we had those guys. Those guys were here a long time ago too. That's how long it's been.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Nope. This is the players being a tight knit group in the locker room.
Huska gets credit for this team not being able to score with the system he has them playing. With the right system this team is probably cemented in the top 3 in the Pacific right now.

You're absolutely ridiculous lol. I can't actually believe someone has this wrong of an opinion on something.

This bottom 5 team on paper should definitely be in the top 3! Coaching is holding us back, I can't believe a team with 0 top line forwards has trouble scoring goals!

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

What could the team or Huska do that would cause you to give him any credit?

A small part of me hopes they fire Huska this offseason for two reasons.

1) it would single handedly ensure that the Flames would have a very good chance for a top 5 pick next year which would make the tank crowd happy along with give us a legit shot at McKenna and
2) it would demonstrate how great of a job Huska has done this year and how great of a coach he is.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Nope. This is the players being a tight knit group in the locker room.
Huska gets credit for this team not being able to score with the system he has them playing. With the right system this team is probably cemented in the top 3 in the Pacific right now.

Hehe, can't say that I agree, but I respect you sticking to your guns.

IMO, they still play much better than what I remember with a much more proven, capped out roster in the last year under Sutter. A lot of the credit goes to Wolf, but Huska deserves some of it as well.

Finally, I don't think that the Flames have the horses on D to effectively transition the puck to the forwards in a high pace, high scoring system. They might be able to when the likes of Parekh and Mews make the big club.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

You're absolutely ridiculous lol. I can't actually believe someone has this wrong of an opinion on something.

This bottom 5 team on paper should definitely be in the top 3! Coaching is holding us back, I can't believe a team with 0 top line forwards has trouble scoring goals!

I'm ridiculous. You just said a team that has a former 115 point winger has zero top line forwards. As usual you are out to lunch, sit down.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Except it seems to be working.

Yeah, it's working, they can't even score most nights but it's working. If it wasn't for Wolf they would be bottom 5 because of this system. Wrong again.

[Paulie Walnuts]

What contender we have that he’s holding us back LOL.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I'm ridiculous. You just said a team that has a former 115 point winger has zero top line forwards. As usual you are out to lunch, sit down.

A former 115-point winger who hasn't broken 60 for three straight years under two different coaches. Right, of course he's still that 115-point player and Huska is deliberately telling him not to score.

[Flamesfan05]

Still hope for top 10

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I'm ridiculous. You just said a team that has a former 115 point winger has zero top line forwards. As usual you are out to lunch, sit down.

The fact he once had 115 points isn’t relevant to his production today.

He’s on pace for about 60 points getting that premium ice time.

He’s only getting that ice time due to general lack of elite talent on the Flames.

[Flamescuprun2018]

Our offense is so bad. 5 periods no goals. Have we had more than 5 HD chances in that time?

Sell something Craig! We need to draft top 10.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

The fact he once had 115 points isn’t relevant to his production today.

He’s on pace for about 60 points getting that premium ice time.

He’s only getting that ice time due to general lack of elite talent on the Flames.

He is getting premium ice time in a system that does not allow him to use his abilities. If you traded him to even a team that can't win like Nashville that plays East/West I would bet you anything he is a 90+ point guy again. Prime Mario Lemieux wouldn't break 100 points under this coach.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I'm ridiculous. You just said a team that has a former 115 point winger has zero top line forwards. As usual you are out to lunch, sit down.

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha.

A former 115 point winger that is now a 2nd to 3rd liner. This is like saying Edmonton has a great team because Corey Perry used to score 100 points, ignoring the fact the game has passed him by.