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Old 02-28-2025, 03:06 PM   #21221
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I mean its amusing cause no matter what PP says or does the bootlickers will never change their mind.
Why don't you just add woke and DEI to all of your rants and complete the wordsalad trifecta?
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I know you're big mad that your boy has been publicly exposed as an empty-headed, slogan machine, in a nice suit, but you can see how poorly he and the party are playing this, right?
Who said PP is my boy?

You're just trying to deflect away from the complete dumpster fire the NDP (your party) has become. Literally a trash pile of garbage.

Keep on bootlicking though.
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You mean like this...? Note the comments and the backlash he got.

There's some folks here that rightfully criticize Poilievre for inactions or poor actions, but there are also some outright fringe partisans who will make up stuff up to make anything right or left of their own stance as wrong (not you).

Let's criticize him for things he is / and is not doing, let's not make misinformed statements to villainize someone for things he has actively stood for. I think he needs to be way stronger and harsher against Trump and has fumbled this horrendously, but he has stood for Ukraine.
Like I said, PP is judged before he says anything, and like you just pointed out it has nothing to do with the actual facts.

Canada, including our government on both sides has always supported Ukraine and rightfully so. Rube is just mad cause the NDP might not be relevant after this election. They might not even exist as an actual party!
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Why don't you just add woke and DEI to all of your rants and complete the wordsalad trifecta?
Its amusing how worked up everyone gets.

Bootlickers gonna bootlick I guess.
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Its amusing how worked up everyone gets.

Bootlickers gonna bootlick I guess.
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Lol wut indeed. But keep on spreading fringe misinformation.
Yes, the notoriously far-left, misinformation-spreading Globe and Mail. Jfc.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/poli...-against-free/

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opin...policy-legacy/

Also, is this the carbon tax stuff you're referring to? If so, it's still a silly thing to try to hold up an aid bill on. I realize the CO is more left-wing but I don't think anything is factually incorrect here (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong).

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It’s not like the Liberals sprung this on him by surprise. In November, the first time the renewed trade deal known as Bill C-57 came before the House of Commons, 109 Conservative MPs voted against it. Poilievre and his proxies claimed it was because the deal “imposed” a carbon tax on Ukraine, even though it contained no such language and Ukraine has had a price on carbon since 2011.

They apparently didn’t bother to educate themselves over the ensuing two months, since that was the same lame justification they offered up for their most recent vote against Ukraine — one that involved 116 Conservative MPs this time around.

Unlike Trump and Carlson, I don’t think Poilievre or his senior caucus members enjoy running interference on behalf of Putin’s grotesque war effort. Even so, there’s been an alarming shift within the Conservative movement when it comes to support for Ukraine. As a new Angus Reid Institute poll shows, the proportion of CPC supporters who think we’re giving too much money to Ukraine has shot up from 19 per cent in May 2022 to 43 per cent as of last week. For a party that categorically rejects comparisons to Trump and his MAGA movement, this should be an unsettling data point.

That’s why he keeps trying to pretend his party’s opposition is about the language around carbon pricing, even though Ukrainian officials have repeatedly tried to allay those concerns. “Canadians are against the carbon tax,” he told reporters on Wednesday. “I’m against the carbon tax. Trudeau never should have tried to divide Canadians on Ukraine by forcing the carbon tax into that agreement.”

Again, no carbon tax is being forced into the agreement and Ukraine will have to significantly increase the carbon price it already has if it wants to join the European Union in the near future. But these facts have no purchase on Poilievre’s position here, it seems. “[Poilievre’s] pride is about 80 [per cent] of what's happening here,” Gerson wrote. “He won't take the L — he'll just keep pushing it through and slicing it up until it looks [like] something resembling a W.”
If you want to be charitable, I guess you could say he supports Ukraine, but many CPC members do not. However, that's still problematic if they're going to govern the country.

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Old 02-28-2025, 07:37 PM   #21227
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Are you ok? Maybe run this through ChatGPT or Grammerly

But agreed.
lol the worst part is that I quickly re-read that right after your post and thought “looks fine to me!” so I left it and reading it back now I see that was a mistake
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I know this isn't exactly a novel take, but the biggest problem with politics is it's usually the biggest narcissists who make it to the top. I can't think of a single party leader at the federal level, in my lifetime, who didn't have a massive ego. Maybe Mulcair?
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Who said PP is my boy?

You're just trying to deflect away from the complete dumpster fire the NDP (your party) has become. Literally a trash pile of garbage.

Keep on bootlicking though.
If you think someone who consistently advocates for the working class and marginalized people's is a bootlicker, I have to assume you have no God damn clue what that term actually means.

In terms of the NDP, they need this. Singh has been a decent enough politician in a minority government, but he's been way too weak at times. He's also clearly not the guy. The sooner the party realizes that, the better. The next election should be a very clear signal that they need a reboot.
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I know this isn't exactly a novel take, but the biggest problem with politics is it's usually the biggest narcissists who make it to the top. I can't think of a single party leader at the federal level, in my lifetime, who didn't have a massive ego. Maybe Mulcair?
Jack Layton maybe. An honourable mention although he wasn’t a party leader would be Manmeet Buhullar, he was a special guy
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Jack Layton maybe. An honourable mention although he wasn’t a party leader would be Manmeet Buhullar, he was a special guy
Jack Layton was 100% a narcissist. Go watch the video of him in the bar when Canada won the gold medal in 2010. Literally pushes someone out of the way so he can get on camera.

People have a lot of love for Layton posthumously, but he's the reason the NDP moved from being a working class and labour party to whatever they are now.

EDIT: I actually kinda put Layton in the same boat as PP a bit. Not in terms of policy or character. Just that both were/are more about slogans than policy.

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Its amusing how worked up everyone gets.

Bootlickers gonna bootlick I guess.
If you projected any harder I'd spool up a film reel to you and aim you at my wall.

Holy ####, my guy. You used to be level-headed and reasonable and now you're a key-word spewing blowhard. This one almost hurts as much as the transplant99 one.

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If you projected any harder I'd spool up a film reel to you and aim you at my wall.

Holy ####, my guy. You used to be level-headed and reasonable and now you're a key-word spewing blowhard. This one almost hurts as much as the transplant99 one.

#### me.
He still has some very reasonable takes that I agree with or at least acknowledge that he's probably more informed than I am on the subject, but then he just goes off the ####ing deep end with some of his ####. It's super erratic.
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People have a lot of love for Layton posthumously, but he's the reason the NDP moved from being a working class and labour party to whatever they are now.
He was also the only reason the NDP started being regarded as a serious party, federally. Layton increased the NDP's slice of the vote in every election, and led them to their first ever role as official opposition. I didn't like Jack Layton when he was alive (I was still voting Conservative until the 2015 election), but the Federal NDP would be even more of a joke today without him. Mulcair, to my mind, is when the NDP began to unwind and devolve into their current state.
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He was also the only reason the NDP started being regarded as a serious party, federally. Layton increased the NDP's slice of the vote in every election, and led them to their first ever role as official opposition. I didn't like Jack Layton when he was alive (I was still voting Conservative until the 2015 election), but the Federal NDP would be even more of a joke today without him. Mulcair, to my mind, is when the NDP began to unwind and devolve into their current state.
Yeah, I get that argument. My response would be what's the point of being relevant if you sell out the things you stand for? The NDP's role has always been to get concessions in minority governments. They're never going to run the country because there's still too much red scare stuff in this country.

The dumbest thing Singh did is not make proportional representation a condition of the supply and confidence deal.
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Given what's going on down south, I am seriously wondering whether Canada should move toward joining the EU.

At the very least I think we should scrap NAFTA altogether and look for a comprehensive free trade deal with the EU.

And then spend like crazy to get our exports ready to go across the Atlantic as fast as possible.
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Given what's going on down south, I am seriously wondering whether Canada should move toward joining the EU.

At the very least I think we should scrap NAFTA altogether and look for a comprehensive free trade deal with the EU.

And then spend like crazy to get our exports ready to go across the Atlantic as fast as possible.
I don’t entirely disagree, and I would love to see a huge campaign to put oil on trains and get it going east/west to try to push it to other markets as well. But we shouldn’t kid ourselves; the transition to new markets and trade partners is incredibly disruptive and difficult. Take some of the feedlot operators in southern Alberta. Today they load cattle onto a truck and in a couple hours they’re in the largest economy in the world. How do you feasibly replace that?

The issue with just abandoning USMCA, is that before the original FTA in 1988 we were more of a branch-plant economy. With FTA and then NAFTA we lost a lot of those facilities and factories. Free trade was a problem in that regard and cost Canada a lot of jobs in some areas. The trade off was access to the enormous US market for some of our products though, and a change in our economy. So today, for us to adapt and go back to that is basically impossible (and the global economy has also changed to a large extent). This makes things very difficult for Canada.
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I know this isn't exactly a novel take, but the biggest problem with politics is it's usually the biggest narcissists who make it to the top. I can't think of a single party leader at the federal level, in my lifetime, who didn't have a massive ego. Maybe Mulcair?
Joe Clark maybe? But look how that turned out. I’ve met Charest, pretty decent guy but wasn’t really leading a party as it was just a husk then.
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I know this isn't exactly a novel take, but the biggest problem with politics is it's usually the biggest narcissists who make it to the top. I can't think of a single party leader at the federal level, in my lifetime, who didn't have a massive ego. Maybe Mulcair?
Not just politics - people lacking empathy seem to acquire the most power in business, media, religion, etc.
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