2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by traptor

They aren't rebuilding that much is clear.
Since that's the case I try to talk about how they might build rather then constantly lamenting on what I'd wish they'd do.


But I dont think people's frustrations are unfounded though.

Alot were hopeful we would try something different. It definitely feels closer to the same old.

They're retooling and they're trying to do it at a quick pace.

If it feels like the same old it wasn’t by design. The roster on paper was bad and they the second or third most cap space in the league. The defense and Bahl especially had played way above expectations. They are the fifth lowest scoring team in the league and if it wasn’t for Wolf and the defense they would be in the running for a top 5-10 pick.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by traptor

Alot were hopeful we would try something different. It definitely feels closer to the same old.

I think the difference is Conroy is looking at both the present and the future. He's not just getting players who will help the team for the next 1-2 years. He's getting players who will help the team for the next 4-5+ years.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Bonded

If it feels like the same old it wasn’t by design. The roster on paper was bad and they the second or third most cap space in the league. The defense and Bahl especially had played way above expectations. They are the fifth lowest scoring team in the league and if it wasn’t for Wolf and the defense they would be in the running for a top 5-10 pick.

Yeah I get what youre saying, it was a bad roster.
But to some extent them poping off was by design.

They didn't burn it down. They threw a bunch of mud at the wall to see what stuck.

They intentionally brought in under utilized guys in their middish 20s, hoping they would pop off like Miromanov, Sharangovich, kuzmenko, Bahl and now frost and farabee.

The fact that we hear them pushing to re-sign Rasmus and rumors about going big game hunting for Rantenan or Cozens further cements this.

I also see alot of parallels between Gaudreau and Wolf. The timeline is similar. Waiting on a developing late drafted MVP at every other level. He comes in, team subverts expectations and gets in the playoffs.
Then it's aggressive build time.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Inferno

I think the difference is Conroy is looking at both the present and the future. He's not just getting players who will help the team for the next 1-2 years. He's getting players who will help the team for the next 4-5+ years.

I feel like the same was said with the moves Tre made after Gaudreau came along. Hamonic was only 27 and played with us for 3 years. Could of been longer.

Dougie was what, 23 or something. Had the makings of a long term move.

Tres UFA signings were thise midterm ranges too.

It just feels very similar to me. Obviously not the exact same, but a very similar vibe and timeline.

If anything it was more patient that time around, because we did bottom out for a couple seasons.

[dino7c]

You think Tre tried to bottom out?

[traptor]

Originally Posted by dino7c

You think Tre tried to bottom out?

No, I didn't say that.

But they did have a recently drafted Bennett and Monahan in the system already


But sure focus on that..

[dammage79]

Tre lost the script with the Harmonic trade. He was rocking it up until that point. After that it was a mad scramble. Then the Peters thing happened and then the Hamilton thing. But that led to Lindholm and Hanifin and regardless of how it ended that was one of the best trades in Flames history. That trade tree is alive and well also.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by traptor

Yeah I get what youre saying, it was a bad roster.
But to some extent them poping off was by design.

They didn't burn it down. They threw a bunch of mud at the wall to see what stuck.

They intentionally brought in under utilized guys in their middish 20s, hoping they would pop off like Miromanov, Sharangovich, kuzmenko, Bahl and now frost and farabee.

The fact that we hear them pushing to re-sign Rasmus and rumors about going big game hunting for Rantenan or Cozens further cements this.

I also see alot of parallels between Gaudreau and Wolf. The timeline is similar. Waiting on a developing late drafted MVP at every other level. He comes in, team subverts expectations and gets in the playoffs.
Then it's aggressive build time.

I don’t agree. I think they adjusted what they are doing after the start but the only vet they kept that was easily tradeable was Andersson and he’d be gone if they played to expectations. Sharangovich was traded for before another bad season. Kuzmenko was a cap dump that was necessary to trade Lindholm. Miramanov is nothing. The Frost and Farabee trade could be the start of a wider shift.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by traptor

I feel like the same was said with the moves Tre made after Gaudreau came along. Hamonic was only 27 and played with us for 3 years. Could of been longer.

Dougie was what, 23 or something. Had the makings of a long term move.

Tres UFA signings were thise midterm ranges too.

It just feels very similar to me. Obviously not the exact same, but a very similar vibe and timeline.

If anything it was more patient that time around, because we did bottom out for a couple seasons.

Hamilton was a present and future move but I wouldnt' say Hamonic was. That was a now trade.

I think saying that Treliving showed more patience is kind of jumping the gun. It's not Conroy's fault the team exceeded expectations so early. It looked like they were on their way to bottoming out for 2-3 seasons and things may still go that way next season.

Signing Rantanen would change the narrative a bit but I wouldn't worry about it unless it happens. If you read cmpdave's replies all he says is Rantanen views the Flames as an legit option so he must see something promising in them.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by traptor

No, I didn't say that.

But they did have a recently drafted Bennett and Monahan in the system already


But sure focus on that..

He wasnt more patient...Flames have 4 firsts the next two years and 20M in cap space. Same old same old? Some of you are jumping to conclusions based on rumors and not what has actually happened.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Tre lost the script with the Harmonic trade. He was rocking it up until that point. After that it was a mad scramble. Then the Peters thing happened and then the Hamilton thing. But that led to Lindholm and Hanifin and regardless of how it ended that was one of the best trades in Flames history. That trade tree is alive and well also.

Yeah and even with those early whiffs, it almost worked. If Gaudreau and Chucky re-sign that offseason it's a solid team for a few years as it really enters its prime.

I dont think it's a terrible strategy to repeat. I just see alot of similarities to our current strategy, and I was hoping for something different.

[Sandman]

wrong thread

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by dino7c

You think Tre tried to bottom out?

I think it's easy to dump on Tre given how things ended here, but his approach when he first took over was not significantly different than Conroy's.

As traptir said, Hamilton and Hamonic were definitely acquired as "long-term" pieces that could have been cornerstone guys for 7+ seasons, similar to Frost. So were Lindholm and Hanifin.

The thinking was, if we bottom out, we can draft a Tkachuk or whatever, but we'll damn do everything we can to build a winner as soon as possible, top-3 picks be damned.

The short term Brouwer/Neal signings came after, as Mony and Johnny etc. were into their primes. It remains to be seen what Conroy will do as Wolf, Zary, Coronato etc. begin to enter their primes.

So yeah, I'd be careful to say that Conroy is doing things drastically different. I think much more of that has to do with the fact that we're still all in the honeymoon phase with Conny as GM. And he was a fan favorite as a player to begin with.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by dino7c

He wasnt more patient...Flames have 4 firsts the next two years and 20M in cap space. Same old same old? Some of you are jumping to conclusions based on rumors and not what has actually happened.

They had 4 first in 13/14 and they grabbed Bennett and Monahan.

I didn't mean to imply that Brad himself was more patient then Craig. I dont think that's what I said, sorry if it came off that way.

Just that they have already had two blue chip prospects from the top of the draft in the system + gaudreau.


It's a combo, some of its just rumours and speculation based right now like resigning Rasmus, trading for Cozens and going after Rantenen. But I think they brought in guys in their mid 20s hoping to speed things up abit. Bahl, sharangovich, miromanov, kuzmenko, frost and farabee.


But I do think it's fair. Not that many teams are actually doing full rebuilds. It's only really sanjose, anaheim and Chicago right now. Every other team at the bottom isn't there intentionally.

[dino7c]

Conroy Traded his starting goalie, his #1 Center, and 2 of his top 4 dmen and still has most of the picks, prospects, and cap space a year later.

Things are different

[Andrew]

I am sorry rantanen is not coming to cgy.

[GullFoss]

I could see the flames going after Olli Maatta in a playoff push. Good guy to re-sign as well.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Conroy Traded his starting goalie, his #1 Center, and 2 of his top 4 dmen and still has most of the picks, prospects, and cap space a year later.

Things are different

12-13 They traded iginla, bouwmester and tanguey. Kipper retired.
Cammelleri and Stepniak went next year.
4 of your top 6 forwards, your starting goalie and 1 top 4d.

They had 4 first in the following 2 years.


It's not the exact same, but there's similarities.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by traptor

Yeah and even with those early whiffs, it almost worked. If Gaudreau and Chucky re-sign that offseason it's a solid team for a few years as it really enters its prime.

I dont think it's a terrible strategy to repeat. I just see alot of similarities to our current strategy, and I was hoping for something different.

Gaudreau in the 4th round and Tkachuk at 6th isn't a strategy though it's extremely fortunate luck. The Flames seem to be accumulating middle six guys and are on a train right back to mediocrity. Overachieving this year I feel has them thinking they're further ahead than they actually are. They are still lead by aging vets. They still lack high end talent. I think they're a long ways away from the last generation of the Flames.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Gaudreau in the 4th round and Tkachuk at 6th isn't a strategy though it's extremely fortunate luck. The Flames seem to be accumulating middle six guys and are on a train right back to mediocrity. Overachieving this year I feel has them thinking they're further ahead than they actually are. They are still lead by aging vets. They still lack high end talent. I think they're a long ways away from the last generation of the Flames.

I think Parehk and Wolf are trending to be top roster players. I think someone eventually breaks out in the forward group.


Overall I think they're projecting to be what they were on the last iteration before it blew up and the iterqtion before that. An in-and-out playoff team.


That's why I wanted to try something different.

At the end of the day you need your guys to pan out, wherever you get them