Edmonton is No Good XII: "I Dunno.. it's Just Not Good."

[FlamingHomer]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

I have a feeling that he's injured.

I have a feeling he hates his life.

[indes]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

I have a feeling that he's injured.

Looking at NHL Edge it looks like his shot speed and shooting % has fallen over the last couple of years. It's hard to say if he's lost a half step but he hasn't looked very good this year (for him). 28 years old, he's getting to that "reinvent" your game stage but I'm not sure he's got the chops for it.

[Robbob]

With all the extra ice time he gets, he probably plays an extra 15 games worth a year. Over the course of his career it probably adds up to a couple extra seasons. That has to start adding up.

[Reggie Dunlop]

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Robbob

With all the extra ice time he gets, he probably plays an extra 15 games worth a year. Over the course of his career it probably adds up to a couple extra seasons. That has to start adding up.

I've said this before, but he's getting close to that tipping point that all elite NHL talents get to in this game. The raw talent that takes you from top scorer to generational scorer starts to fade ~30 and with the extra mileage of ice time he feels, it could happen sooner than that. There's maybe a handful of exceptions that were able to keep up a comparable scoring pace beyond that age, and these were players that had games not fully built on speed.

Do I think McDavid is going to go from a 130pt player to 60pt player? No. But he could very well drop to 90-100pt player in the next year or two and start to miss 10-15 games a season as the body breaks down. Is that going to be enough to carry the Oilers with their bungled cap structure? No.

Really, the Oilers are in must win territory before father time rears his ugly face, and when you're just no good to begin with, it doesn't bode well for the future.

[CroFlames]

Breaking in the new thread is always tons of fun. Where to begin?

Connor screeching like a banshee at his teammates? Or the evergreen classic of the McCringe Draft Video ft Katz?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by indes

Looking at NHL Edge it looks like his shot speed and shooting % has fallen over the last couple of years. It's hard to say if he's lost a half step but he hasn't looked very good this year (for him). 28 years old, he's getting to that "reinvent" your game stage but I'm not sure he's got the chops for it.

He's played a lot of hockey over the past two seasons and when you consider he's averaged over 21 minutes per game over his career which is highest by a forward since he entered the league, there's probably going to be a point where even an elite athlete will start to see his body and overall game show signs of fatigue. You can't say the Oilers haven't milked him for every ounce of what he's got but you wonder if he's going to burn out a little as he's human after all.

[Reggie Dunlop]

[topfiverecords]

McDavid has played 15122.54 minutes over 696 regular season games since 2015-2016. For comparison MacKinnon has played 14899.57 over 704.

So McDavid has played 1.5% more games than MacKinnon while actually playing 1% less.

Draisaitl has played 15491.35 over 739 regular season games since McDavid.

[GFG#1]

McDavid's game is all around his speed with the puck, he is fast without the puck, but the things he can do with the puck at that speed is what sets him above the majority of players.

I actually don't think McDavid's hockey IQ is off the charts, which is what has kept Crosby relevant. Even though Crosby has slowed down, he thinks the game at an elite level and still makes plays, he drives the net, gets production from the dirty areas. All of which are not a part of McDavid's game.

McDavid's speed appears to be starting to decline, which is bringing down his overall effectiveness. This could be due to an injury, but as mentioned he plays more than any forward and time could just be taking its toll. If McDavid loses his speed he will become a mediocre player.

Glad to see a new thread!

Instead of them going on a massive win streak, maybe this one will keep the losing streak going so they fall out of the playoffs!

[Coach]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

The best part of that clup is NO PLAYER GIVES A #### WHAT MCDAVID HAS EVER ####ING SAID EVER!

Not one player undressing stop a second of undressing to hear what he said. No one stopped to hear their captains "wisdom". Players go to play with Mcdavid to bolster the stats for the next payday the #### out of Edmonton. IMO ( Personal experiences with an angry respectable team lead ( name an industry) you don't just ignore them all willy nilly) yes his speech is so bad brackets to include other brackets. Not on teammate stopped and listened intensively.


He is not a respected leader clearly. He's not the type of player that rookies cannot chirp ala Avery when Hull sat him down and told him " your not allowed to talk to Mr Sakic"

Not even the staff or anyone stops.

Can you imagine post loss in the Stanley Cup Finals and Crosby is standing up and speaking/yelling, and some staffer walks through the middle of the dressing room to pick up some towels? Wouldn't happen.

[drewtastic]

Originally Posted by FlamingHomer

I have a feeling he hates his life.

I have a feeling...

That this thread's gonna be a NO GOOD thread...

That this thread's gonna be a NO GOOD-GOOD thread

[3rd liner]

He must run out of ways to have to explain to the media after games how his team was no good. The guy must dread post-game press.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

I've said this before, but he's getting close to that tipping point that all elite NHL talents get to in this game. The raw talent that takes you from top scorer to generational scorer starts to fade ~30 and with the extra mileage of ice time he feels, it could happen sooner than that. There's maybe a handful of exceptions that were able to keep up a comparable scoring pace beyond that age, and these were players that had games not fully built on speed.

Do I think McDavid is going to go from a 130pt player to 60pt player? No. But he could very well drop to 90-100pt player in the next year or two and start to miss 10-15 games a season as the body breaks down. Is that going to be enough to carry the Oilers with their bungled cap structure? No.

Really, the Oilers are in must win territory before father time rears his ugly face, and when you're just no good to begin with, it doesn't bode well for the future.

It's certainly not without president

McDavid is 28 on pace for 116 pts.

At 28 Thornton had 114 pts. followed by 96,86,89,70,77, he was pretty much a mid 70s pt player for his 30s.

*because he got his points playing in Pit in the 90s, but Kevin Stevens went;
123 pts at 27 then, 111, 88, 82pt pace, 36, 34, 41...

Mike Goulet at 28 106pt, then 64,51,65,63,44

Kurri at 28, 96pts, then 102,93,60,87,77

Huberdeau at 28 had a 91 pt pace, then 115,55,52,62.

There are lots of examples of guys who put up a few very high point season in there late 20s who then became middling second tier offensive players in their 30s. And I've been arguing for years that McDavids game is specifically built for that kind of decline. Given the way he plays, I think for him to continue to be successful and not be one of those guys, he would need to learn to be more of a power forward, instead of skating around guys he is going to need to learn to skate through them. I don't know if that will happen or not.

[calumniate]

Hey how did I miss the board of directors meeting regarding the new E=NG thread title!??

Oh well! At least it's good, and Edmonton remains just not good

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by BigThief

Damn, the ol' dissentowner kiss of depth. McDavid signs biggest contract in NHL history this summer.

There won't be any handcuffing; the salary cap is 87.5 this season and projects at $113.5 million for 2027-28 season. Almost 30 extra million for teams to play with three seasons from now. McDavid is at $12.5million currently, even if gets something crazy like 17 per year for eight years that's still "only" 4.5 extra to add.

With the NHL announcing the cap already it would be wise for him to wait until July 1st 2026.

Just not sure how the max works in this case can he signed 20% beforehand? I think if he goes July 1 he loses the 8th year.

Either way I can't see Edmonton screwing around they will be on his heated driveway with 20% max and treats for the dog.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

With the NHL announcing the cap already it would be wise for him to wait until July 1st 2026.

Just not sure how the max works in this case can he signed 20% beforehand? I think if he goes July 1 he loses the 8th year.

Either way I can't see Edmonton screwing around they will be on his heated driveway with 20% max and treats for the dog.

So will other teams. The difference is do you want to spend 8 years in Edmonton or 7 years anywhere but Edmonton. Especially considering Edmonton has nothing coming down the pipeline to help him.

[dino7c]

McDavid's contract is gonna be so bad I almost hope he stays

[CroFlames]

If McDavid asks for anything less than 8 x 20%, he's stupid and so is his agent.

So he will do exactly that.

[Paulie Walnuts]

If he signs now its 152.8M total. If he waits for the next cap jump its 167.2M total.

If you are spending the next 8 years of your life in Edmonton I am taking every last penny.

Think of how many Edmontonians driveways he could heat with that extra 15 million.