American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[Paulie Walnuts]

This is exactly what everyone said, Trump saying he will end the war means he will sellout Ukraine.

Like has been stated many times, he is doing exactly what he said he would do.

I was listening to a podcast and someone said their partner was tired of the same government and wanted something new. So they thought they would TRY Trump. You don't TRY out a President. No wonder that country is ####ed when people think you are just trying out a president.

[Drak]

Trump and Elon don't actually legit feel that way. They are pushing Putin policy. And Trump's been attacking NATO since the early 80s. Right after his visit to the Soviet Union.

Also pretty ridiculous that a South African immigrant is controlling the USA.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by nik-

Recalibrate your lens with the knowledge that Trump is literally a Russian asset. Everything he's doing makes sense. He's meant to tear down institutions, destroy American soft power and cave to Russian demands in Ukraine.

He is the quintessential Useful Idiot.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot

[GirlySports]

Anyone here know COBOL?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1891585909960655242

[puffnstuff]

Wired has been doing better reporting on the clustertruck that is doge than anyone else.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Trump/Musk feel that America has made bad deals and other countries (like those in NATO) take advantage of it by not paying into it.

While some may think this to be true, this is a massive overcorrection. Yeah hold back USAID and revamp it but don't dissolve it.

I don't know if Russia or China will fill the vacuum, these are not philanthropic regimes

They are more than happy to step into void, with strings attached. See China in Africa.

[Engine09]

Originally Posted by sa226

It boggles my mind that Canadians can cheer on Trump while he cozies up to Putin, and threatens Canadian sovereignty at the same time. Those brains need to be studied.

I have a couple Trumptards at work that I check in with quickly every week. I try my best to not be confrontational, just simply ask if their view on Trump has changed at all over the past few weeks.

Nope. They still think he's great and would choose him over Trudeau, Poilierve, Carney or Feeland to be the Prime Minister of Canada. It also seems like they're barely following what is going on, if I interject with a specific queston they're unfamiliar with what I'm reffering to and state that they "try to avoid the news".

[WideReceiver]

Why even bother? They just repeat drivel. I don’t see the point.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Engine09

I have a couple Trumptards at work that I check in with quickly every week. I try my best to not be confrontational, just simply ask if their view on Trump has changed at all over the past few weeks.

Nope. They still think he's great and would choose him over Trudeau, Poilierve, Carney or Feeland to be the Prime Minister of Canada. It also seems like they're barely following what is going on, if I interject with a specific queston they're unfamiliar with what I'm reffering to and state that they "try to avoid the news".

Trump pisses off the groups of people they don't like, so he must be doing a great job

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by sa226

When you consider the role of USAID in spreading American influence throughout the world, for better or worse. It really hits home how that will leave a giant vacuum that I'm sure other imperialistic nations (ie: China, Russia) would love to exploit.

A lot of Americans at the street level don't understand that aid is a proven way to spread your influence and is transactional on a lot of levels. They think it's just throwing money away with nothing in return.

I am 100% sure that Trump doesn't understand how it works either.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

A lot of Americans at the street level don't understand that aid is a proven way to spread your influence and is transactional on a lot of levels. They think it's just throwing money away with nothing in return.

I am 100% sure that Trump doesn't understand how it works either.

He understands it but doesn't believe in charity and he doesn't believe in what's being returned. He talks about protection money for US protection like police protecting a noodle stall.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

He understands it but doesn't believe in charity and he doesn't believe in what's being returned. He talks about protection money for US protection like police protecting a noodle stall.

I think this is an unsubstantiated claim that flies in the face of evidence.

He doesn't seem to understand that the US provides aid in exchange for influence over other countries rule of law, and foreign policy, to maintain a global dollar based standard (providing more cost certainty and stability in the US than any other country), to reduce the number of barbarians piling up at the gates by allowing them to earn a living where they are (it's and analogy, I am not literally calling them bearded peoples, even if some of them do have beards), to prevent the spread of infection and disease, and keeping these people just a little above the poverty line allows the US to run a huge goods surplus against virtually all other nations artificially raising the average standard of living in the US, and he doesn't understand that by neglecting to maintain the responsibilities will allow others to capture some of the benefits that the US has enjoyed.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Trump/Musk feel that America has made bad deals and other countries (like those in NATO) take advantage of it by not paying into it.

While some may think this to be true, this is a massive overcorrection. Yeah hold back USAID and revamp it but don't dissolve it.

I don't know if Russia or China will fill the vacuum, these are not philanthropic regimes

China has been trying to edge their way into this for years. Almost certainly happier about the US's retreat than anyone, even if it leaves a few factories with less work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belt_and_Road_Initiative

Putin has accidentally slipped at times, revealing the real purpose of the War is to re-establish a Russo-European sphere of influence, where they have client states, they are both eagerly awaiting the US's abandonment of it's clients. The mission statements might be different, but where the US stops spending this more, they will quickly find ways to start buying up the benefits the US is abandoning.

[Rutuu]

Originally Posted by Engine09

I have a couple Trumptards at work that I check in with quickly every week. I try my best to not be confrontational, just simply ask if their view on Trump has changed at all over the past few weeks.

Nope. They still think he's great and would choose him over Trudeau, Poilierve, Carney or Feeland to be the Prime Minister of Canada. It also seems like they're barely following what is going on, if I interject with a specific queston they're unfamiliar with what I'm reffering to and state that they "try to avoid the news".

It might be shocking when people saw Musk do it with Twitter so publically and now applying the same logic with government agencies, but everything hes doing is fairly common in the PE takeover world.

Take over a business, get access to the bank accounts, and you reduce expenses. In the government one of the largest expenses is going to be wages. Without taking a position on the cuts themselves, as people can have whatever position they want, but the number of lay-offs isn't that high.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by #-3

I think this is an unsubstantiated claim that flies in the face of evidence.

He doesn't seem to understand that the US provides aid in exchange for influence over other countries rule of law, and foreign policy, to maintain a global dollar based standard (providing more cost certainty and stability in the US than any other country), to reduce the number of barbarians piling up at the gates by allowing them to earn a living where they are (it's and analogy, I am not literally calling them bearded peoples, even if some of them do have beards), to prevent the spread of infection and disease, and keeping these people just a little above the poverty line allows the US to run a huge goods surplus against virtually all other nations artificially raising the average standard of living in the US, and he doesn't understand that by neglecting to maintain the responsibilities will allow others to capture some of the benefits that the US has enjoyed.

It also gives them influence in education curriculums. Aid to schools for example often comes with the requirement to teach favourable views on American history and sometime English as a second language.

A cynical person might call it indoctrination or propaganda, but regardless, if you aren't doing it, someone else will.

[marsplasticeraser]

Originally Posted by edslunch

They are more than happy to step into void, with strings attached. See China in Africa.

See Russia in Africa as well.

I was talking with a guy from West Africa who goes back every year or two.
I was surprised when he said how Russia is the only country they can rely on to protect their people from terrorists.

I asked why Russia did that.

He then explained that Russia is looking for export markets.

I didn't buy that, and a bit later he also said that the worlds largest oil and gas finds are in the Sahara and Russia wants to develop it.

I don't think Russia wants to do that either. More likely Russia wants to maintain conflict in the Sahara so the O&G assets are never developed. Developing those assets would drop prices in Europe, but also demand for Russian gas.

Imagine if Europe could get their gas from North Africa? Russia would have no power at all!

[OldDutch]

While correct, I think some are missing the bigger picture of what Trump is trying to do. If I understand what is happening North and South America have plenty of resources if they are under US control.

As we see with Ukriane, Russia is a Europe problem to him.

Right/wrong he doesn’t see the need to control large parts of the world just his hemisphere. With that the US is more focused and has less expense to police everywhere.

Again right/wrong but its seems obvious his thoughts on Panama and Greenland and yes Canada.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

He understands it but doesn't believe in charity and he doesn't believe in what's being returned. He talks about protection money for US protection like police protecting a noodle stall.

Let's stop pretending he has a belief system

[Ped]

Trump believes in doing what's best for him personally. That's it. That's his belief system.

[chummer]

Our favourite Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt is saying Doge uncovered tens of millions of social security checks being sent to dead people.

Dumb blonde is an understatement.