Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by direwolf

And this is why the Cons will lose the election. Nobody gives a flying f*** about the carbon tax at this point. There are much bigger things to worry about right now.

People still care about the carbon tax, but among many other important things.
That, and a Carney led Liberal party will change course on the carbon tax from Trudeau.

They won't let that be a silver bullet for the Conservatives and so far the Conservatives haven't shown they have any other strategy.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by direwolf

And this is why the Cons will lose the election. Nobody gives a flying f*** about the carbon tax at this point. There are much bigger things to worry about right now.

Have to agree. The carbon tax is so minor compared to the threat of annexation and trade war. It's almost like they can't pivot because that would cause them to lose Elon Musk's endorsement. And that is going to cost them. They are banking that Canadians will forget the threat, think about the pains of the carbon tax and what the government has done. I am honestly not so sure right now, as this trade war will do far worse to our cost of living then the Liberals have done.

CPC needs to present itself as a solid choice to fight vehemently against Trump and Americans and protect Canada as their top priority, and they are not doing this. It's a huge mistake and they will have no one to blame but themselves if they falter.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by direwolf

And this is why the Cons will lose the election. Nobody gives a flying f*** about the carbon tax at this point. There are much bigger things to worry about right now.

Have you looked at Mark Carney's website? Aside from the About section, the only thing he mentions is carbon tax. That is his only policy position at this point. It is all about carbon tax based on that.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Have you looked at Mark Carney's website? Aside from the About section, the only thing he mentions is carbon tax. That is his only policy position at this point. It is all about carbon tax based on that.

He’s talked about much more, never said it was the most important issue (unlike the Cons) and you’ve referenced some of it so I’m not sure what you’re playing dumb for?

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Have you looked at Mark Carney's website? Aside from the About section, the only thing he mentions is carbon tax. That is his only policy position at this point. It is all about carbon tax based on that.

Carney’s not getting rid of the carbon tax.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

He’s talked about much more, never said it was the most important issue (unlike the Cons) and you’ve referenced some of it so I’m not sure what you’re playing dumb for?

Maybe he should hire some folks to update his website so that he doesn't look so light on substance especially compared to Freeland.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Maybe he should hire some folks to update his website so that he doesn't look so light on substance especially compared to Freeland.

Doesn’t seem to matter since you’ve commented plenty on Carney’s platform and this is the first time you’ve mentioned Freeland in a month, including zero mention of her platform… ever.

And if it’s enough for the type of low info folks that cry about communists in 2025, I imagine the average grade-school educated person is getting enough substance. Polls certainly point that way.

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by Firebot

CPC needs to present itself as a solid choice to fight vehemently against Trump and Americans and protect Canada as their top priority, and they are not doing this. It's a huge mistake and they will have no one to blame but themselves if they falter.

They've built their brand mimicking them, their supporter base likes them, which makes it hard to abandon them. Abandoning your identity quickly is hard, and it's not like the CPC is being run by fluid thinkers right now. Their big move in trying to distance themselves from this was to copy 'America First' after all.

And with appropriate timing, from The Beaverton:

Man who has spent entire political career attacking everybody promises he’ll attack Trump and Elon any minute now
https://www.thebeaverton.com/2025/02...any-minute-now

OTTAWA – Pierre Poilievre, who has famously spent his 21-year political career vociferously attacking any person or political entity which opposed him, has vowed to “any day now” begin training that same rhetorical fire on the American billionaires currently threatening Canada’s sovereignty.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Doesn’t seem to matter since you’ve commented plenty on Carney’s platform and this is the first time you’ve mentioned Freeland in a month, including zero mention of her platform… ever.

And if it’s enough for the type of low info folks that cry about communists in 2025, I imagine the average grade-school educated person is getting enough substance. Polls certainly point that way.

What part of Carney's platform have I actually commented on other than carbon tax? I've commented on gaffes such as fentanyl not being a crisis or his steel comment which was tied to carbon tax. I don't think there has actually been any policy discussion at all because we don't know what his policy positions are.

I did a quick search of the news to see if there is any concrete policy that Carney has released and found this quite from the CBC:

Earlier this week, Carney was asked why he hasn't released more concrete policy details. Carney rejected the premise of the question.

"I've spent a substantial portion of my life in policy," he said.

"What I'm saying out here in ways that Canadians can understand and relate to their day-to-day life is all backed up by detailed policies. [There's a] time and place to reveal all of that."

His website currently has just one policy heading: climate.

I'm cynical and his comment comes across as a tarted up way of saying "we have a concept of a plan."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/car...-far-1.7458320

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

What part of Carney's platform have I actually commented on other than carbon tax? I've commented on gaffes such as fentanyl not being a crisis or his steel comment which was tied to carbon tax. I don't think there has actually been any policy discussion at all because we don't know what his policy positions are.

I did a quick search of the news to see if there is any concrete policy that Carney has released and found this quite from the CBC:


I'm cynical and his comment comes across as a tarted up way of saying "we have a concept of a plan."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/car...-far-1.7458320

Maybe get out of your echo chamber. I assumed you had actually watched the speech where he made the fentanyl comment, or watched the interview where he made the steel comment but… apparently, being spoon fed the gaffes was enough and it’s everyone else’s fault you feel uninformed?

Yikes.

Any thoughts on the Conservatives sticking with axing carbon tax as the focus of their campaign despite all the bigger issues Canada is facing? Or does your deflection have a little more energy left?

[flamesfever]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

They've built their brand mimicking them, their supporter base likes them, which makes it hard to abandon them. Abandoning your identity quickly is hard, and it's not like the CPC is being run by fluid thinkers right now. Their big move in trying to distance themselves from this was to copy 'America First' after all.

And with appropriate timing, from The Beaverton:

Man who has spent entire political career attacking everybody promises he’ll attack Trump and Elon any minute now
https://www.thebeaverton.com/2025/02...any-minute-now

Maybe, just maybe, the best negotiating strategy for Canada is to do nothing, apart from diplomacy. That is, to just sit quietly, plan for the worst, and let Trump suffer the consequences of his actions. Eventually world condemnation, the backlash from his own people, will put him in his place. That's not to say, there won't be a lot of suffering along the way.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Maybe get out of your echo chamber. I assumed you had actually watched the speech where he made the fentanyl comment, or watched the interview where he made the steel comment but… apparently, being spoon fed the gaffes was enough and it’s everyone else’s fault you feel uninformed?

Yikes.

Any thoughts on the Conservatives sticking with axing carbon tax as the focus of their campaign despite all the bigger issues Canada is facing? Or does your deflection have a little more energy left?

I did watch the Kelowna rally (didn't watch the earlier interview) and like I said, and CBC pointed out, there isn't much policy issue discussed. He hasn't said anything that the other Liberal leadership candidates haven't said and he hasn't differentiated himself from them other than "being an outsider."

He actually hasn't even said anything that PP hasn't said recently. PP just came out with some more talking points last week which extend beyond axe the tax and Carney is using the same points. His five points and axe the tax are the same as PP's in that they want to cut government waste, build a strong domestic economy, build homes, build energy infrastructure, give Canadians tax cuts, etc.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

I did watch the Kelowna rally (didn't watch the earlier interview) and like I said, and CBC pointed out, there isn't much policy issue discussed. He hasn't said anything that the other Liberal leadership candidates haven't said and he hasn't differentiated himself from them other than "being an outsider."

He actually hasn't even said anything that PP hasn't said recently. PP just came out with some more talking points last week which extend beyond axe the tax and Carney is using the same points. His five points and axe the tax are the same as PP's in that they want to cut government waste, build a strong domestic economy, build homes, build energy infrastructure, give Canadians tax cuts, etc.

Sounds like the perfect choice for PP voters who didn’t like the socially regressive aspects of the party then. They’re going to come out in droves for Carney.

Any thoughts on the Conservatives sticking with axing carbon tax as the focus of their campaign despite all the bigger issues Canada is facing?

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

Maybe, just maybe, the best negotiating strategy for Canada is to do nothing, apart from diplomacy. That is, to just sit quietly, plan for the worst, and let Trump suffer the consequences of his actions. Eventually world condemnation, the backlash from his own people, will put him in his place. That's not to say, there won't be a lot of suffering along the way.

The loudest people in the room suddenly becoming the quietest as soon as they run into some adversity will typically be seen as weakness, or tacit support. This is the issue the CPC is now facing. They have a weak man as a leader, and it's showing.

"...do nothing, apart from diplomacy" is quite the statement when it comes to geopolitics. Are we talking 'Thank you sir, may I have another' diplomacy or more of a 'with all due respect, would you kindly #### off with these threats to our sovereignty, please' diplomacy?

[Johnny Makarov]

hahah Yappydog is giving Carney a lesson about economics right now.

He would be an embarrassment of epic proportions if he was ever in charge.

[mogg]

Originally Posted by Firebot

CPC needs to present itself as a solid choice to fight vehemently against Trump and Americans and protect Canada as their top priority, and they are not doing this. It's a huge mistake and they will have no one to blame but themselves if they falter.

That would be quite the pivot for a leader who uses Trump-like branding, has adopted a Trump-like style, holds Trump-like disdain for security protocols, spreads Trumpy conspiracies and falsehoods and consorts with Freedom Convoy people, the Trumpiest of Canadians.

PP is a cynical, opportunistic huckster who says and does whatever he thinks will benefit him in the moment. He’s really painted himself into a corner here.

[flamesfever]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

The loudest people in the room suddenly becoming the quietest as soon as they run into some adversity will typically be seen as weakness, or tacit support. This is the issue the CPC is now facing. They have a weak man as a leader, and it's showing.

"...do nothing, apart from diplomacy" is quite the statement when it comes to geopolitics. Are we talking 'Thank you sir, may I have another' diplomacy or more of a 'with all due respect, would you kindly #### off with these threats to our sovereignty, please' diplomacy?

that one

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

What part of Carney's platform have I actually commented on other than carbon tax? I've commented on gaffes such as fentanyl not being a crisis or his steel comment which was tied to carbon tax. I don't think there has actually been any policy discussion at all because we don't know what his policy positions are.

I did a quick search of the news to see if there is any concrete policy that Carney has released and found this quite from the CBC:


I'm cynical and his comment comes across as a tarted up way of saying "we have a concept of a plan."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/car...-far-1.7458320

Think what he’s really saying is we’re not telling you my policies because I’m calling an election next month.

[Bonded]

The CPC somehow got blindsided by JT stepping down and then were somehow blindsided again by Trump being Trump. They haven’t had to run any kind substantive campaign under PP and it is really showing. It is way easier to sling #### than build anything and they are struggling. It has slid from a 99% chance at a Conservative majority. I still think they win but PP might be a one and done guy.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by mogg

That would be quite the pivot for a leader who uses Trump-like branding, has adopted a Trump-like style, holds Trump-like disdain for security protocols, spreads Trumpy conspiracies and falsehoods and consorts with Freedom Convoy people, the Trumpiest of Canadians.

PP is a cynical, opportunistic huckster who says and does whatever he thinks will benefit him in the moment. He’s really painted himself into a corner here.

And your saying the other parties don’t do that?

The Liberals are the kings of diversion. For them it’s perfect timing for the Tarriff crisis. Get to call an election and avoid scrutiny of their performance over the last decade.

Which played a big part in the crisis to begin with. It’s perfect for them and they will fully use it to their advantage.

Not to mention dumping their unelectable leader right before the election.