Road Constructions in Calgary

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

This is the wtf part...

Both plans would take more than 20 years to implement and funding has yet to be allocated to either option.

Entire megalopolis's are built in China in less time than that!

Yeah, I thought the same thing. 20 years from now the personal vehicle might be completely replaced with autonomous cars. Or we could all be living in virtual reality. Planning for a not particularly important intersection in the city 20 years out is crazy.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

^ What? The train doesn't affect that intersection, it's not even on the ground by the time it gets near there.

Pretty much have to make Kensington Road to 14th street turn one way heading west during rush hour times, or close it off at 10th St. with retractable bollards during peak hours, I think. Everyone has to use 10th St. if they want to get over the Louise bridge, and everyone coming off the bridge has to go straight through.

Then, you eliminate all street parking along 10th St for a few hours in the morning / evening so it's four lanes all the way back up to 16th ave. It wouldn't suddenly eliminate congestion but the whole thing would work a lot more smoothly, and some people would probably end up taking different routes.

They do that.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

^ What? The train doesn't affect that intersection, it's not even on the ground by the time it gets near there.

Pretty much have to make Kensington Road to 14th street turn one way heading west during rush hour times, or close it off at 10th St. with retractable bollards during peak hours, I think. Everyone has to use 10th St. if they want to get over the Louise bridge, and everyone coming off the bridge has to go straight through.

Then, you eliminate all street parking along 10th St for a few hours in the morning / evening so it's four lanes all the way back up to 16th ave. It wouldn't suddenly eliminate congestion but the whole thing would work a lot more smoothly, and some people would probably end up taking different routes.

At 25th? The train is at street level at that point. Traffic backs up along there and nobody gets through.

Aside from that intersection, I would say that if you have to do the Deerfoot NB to Memorial WB you are in for lots of frustration too. But I blame drivers for that. They need to get their crap in gear when the lights turn.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Boblobla

Isn't the plural of construction construction?

Sure but what's the plural of plural.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Wormius

At 25th? The train is at street level at that point. Traffic backs up along there and nobody gets through.

Aside from that intersection, I would say that if you have to do the Deerfoot NB to Memorial WB you are in for lots of frustration too. But I blame drivers for that. They need to get their crap in gear when the lights turn.

Ah, okay, I thought he was still talking about Kensington. No, that's fair that the train causes some issues at 25th, but the vast majority of traffic is moving North/South on Macleod Tr, and so doesn't cross the tracks. The train may mess with the light pattern a bit but it's never seemed to me to be a huge problem, because the intersection spends a lot of time with a green light for north south traffic.

[Lubicon]

Not sure I understand the logic of lowering the speed limit to 50, when it is already 50 along McLeod to the north of 25th anyhow.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

^ What? The train doesn't affect that intersection, it's not even on the ground by the time it gets near there.

I was talking about the Macleod intersection.

[Wormius]

Would anybody really miss Erlton Station if they removed it and regraded that section of track to stay underground a bit longer before coming up at Victoria Park? I know it’s anecdotal, but I rarely see people get on/off at that station. Maybe it’s busier outside of rush hour? Of course this is mostly moot, there is no way they could close that area to do that magnitude of work in a practical amount of time.

[lazypucker]

Any intersection on 36 St NE are bad too for congestions, especially the 20th Ave (Superstore) and the 12th Ave (T&T) ones.

[Huntingwhale]

WTF is going on at 90th ave & 14th street SW? I remember a proposal a while back to make some kind of underpass for the BRT route that might go along 14th, but it looks like it's something completely different being done.

That intersection always GMG. They've been doing so much work on 14th in that area for the last 3+ years, and other then a new turning lane at Heritage, 90th ave and new underground pipes along 14th street, have little to show for it.

[BlackArcher101]

That's exactly what's going on, preparing for the SWBRT underpass at 90th Ave.

https://www.calgary.ca/Transportatio...struction.aspx

[zamler]

More and more the city has fallen into the trap I've seen often in much larger cities. More constructions starts than projects being completed, a cycle that is very difficult to get out of.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

WTF is going on at 90th ave & 14th street SW? I remember a proposal a while back to make some kind of underpass for the BRT route that might go along 14th, but it looks like it's something completely different being done.

That intersection always GMG. They've been doing so much work on 14th in that area for the last 3+ years, and other then a new turning lane at Heritage, 90th ave and new underground pipes along 14th street, have little to show for it.

This part of the city has already been a ####-show for construction for three years, with multiple road closures at the same time at 14th street, Heritage, 90th and Southland, with no alternate routes. And things are just ramping up with the BRT and SW ring road. Expect simultaneous road closures on all the roads into the area for a least three more years.

I'm pro both projects. But if I'd known the city was going to do everything simultaneously, with no viable detours, and it would take 5+ years... City planners are actually validating the grousing of the angry old people. Good job.

[RW99]

Little bump...


For all Legacy/Silverado Residents: The city is gathering feedback on the Macleod and 210th interchange and there are two proposals. I love the diverging diamond at 162nd, so hoping they can implement it here too: https://engage.calgary.ca/210aveinterchange

[btimbit]

Another DDI would be very nice to see.

The whole West Macleod Outline Plan looks nice. Red line c-train extensions, overpasses at 194 and 210. All very much needed

[Acey]

Based on how horrible Calgray drivers are and the near misses I've seen at Macleod/162, asking the public if they like DDI will have a skewed vote for the parclo.

Unlike at 162 you can fit a standard six-ramp parclo AB4 here, i.e. the interchange configuration with which Calgary drivers are most familiar because Stoney and Deerfoot are drenched with them. Not sure why that's not the immediate plan A.

[cam_wmh]

Why doesn’t NB Macleod have an exit option to 194?

[Mazrim]

Originally Posted by Acey

Based on how horrible Calgray drivers are and the near misses I've seen at Macleod/162, asking the public if they like DDI will have a skewed vote for the parclo.

Unlike at 162 you can fit a standard six-ramp parclo AB4 here, i.e. the interchange configuration with which Calgary drivers are most familiar because Stoney and Deerfoot are drenched with them. Not sure why that's not the immediate plan A.

Regardless of perception or what you've seen, a DDI is still way safer overall than a Parclo. Do a conflict point analysis and review the types of collisions present at each interchange type and it becomes obvious. Canadian jurisdictions have been slow to adopt safer road design trends from elsewhere because of a reluctance to ask drivers to adapt to modern design. Even some slow-to-act US DoTs are outpacing us by a wide margin now.

We still get comments that roundabouts are "new" and "scary" from the public despite the fact that the modern roundabout design in North America is over 30 years old and there have been modern roundabouts in Calgary for nearly 20 years. Familiarity shouldn't be a higher-weight value over safety.

I'd willing to bet money that someone will comment on this engagement page that the city should build a cloverleaf interchange at 210th.

[Engine09]

Friend of mine just bought a place in Legacy, all those traffic circles suck, they're too small.

Also, can the mods edit the thread title, f'ing annoying.

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Why doesn’t NB Macleod have an exit option to 194?

Probably like how on newer freeways like Stoney- they don't want weaves to be too close together. That's one of the biggest issues with Deerfoot.