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Ba'alzamon · 02-13-2025, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

2014 team was also just boring.

Norway: 3-1
Austria: 6-0
Finland: 2-1 OT

Latvia: 2-1
US: 1-0
Sweden: 3-0

Didn't score a lot of goals, and Babcock had them all playing a tight checking game that really suffocated the life out of the game. Canada's leading scorers were both d-men in Doughty and Weber.

Where with 2002 it was different - they were playing an entertaining and offensive style of play with guys like Sakic, Kariya, Iginla really shining.

It's crazy how dominant that team was considering Hockey Canada was up to their usual tricks making... uh... "creative" picks like Chris Kunitz.

jaydub74 · 02-13-2025, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

With all the romanticizing here about how Crosby is the greatest player in the league and all of history it's no surprise that the Penguins continue to be a dominant force in the league today while McDavid and the Oilers languish outside of the playoffs year after year...

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One player does not make a team, McDavid spent countless years outside the playoffs before the Oilers were able to develop a supporting cast, the roles have just been reversed. Crosbys supporting cast is no longer dominate, so the penguins are suffering.

Shazam · 02-13-2025, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

With all the romanticizing here about how Crosby is the greatest player in the league and all of history it's no surprise that the Penguins continue to be a dominant force in the league today while McDavid and the Oilers languish outside of the playoffs year after year...

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Pens are 25th in the league right now. Team is awful save for Crosby. Malkin's seems to have lost it.

He should be traded to a contender.

FlameyMcFlameFace · 02-13-2025, 01:51 PM

I'm so excited. I didn't think I'd be this invested, pre tournament I didn't even think I'd watch a game without Canada in it! However I've been thinking about this level of hockey all day and I'm so excited today to cheer on the fins!

Give credit where it's due. Well done NHL. Well done...

Go Fins!! (For tonight)

Canada is winning this thing. We aren't losing.

Mathgod · 02-13-2025, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by CroFlames

I often wonder why Vancouver 2010 is romanticized so much compared to SLC 2002. Recency and social media?

1. Home ice
2. The country wanting to win so badly following the disaster of 2006
3. Crosby scoring the OT winner

2002 was more important overall, but I think 2010 is more vividly remembered by a lot of people.

I think if Canada had lost that OT in 2010, it would have been more crushing than a loss in the 2002 gold medal game.

dino7c · 02-13-2025, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

With all the romanticizing here about how Crosby is the greatest player in the league and all of history it's no surprise that the Penguins continue to be a dominant force in the league today while McDavid and the Oilers languish outside of the playoffs year after year...

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lol 3 cups vs zero

McDavid past the second round two times...won games past the 2nd round ONE time

I mean you think the Oilers will be good in 10 years time? Come on now, dumb post is dumb. If Crosby moved to a decent team within their cup window they would be overwhelming favourites.

CroFlames · 02-13-2025, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mathgod

1. Home ice
2. The country wanting to win so badly following the disaster of 2006
3. Crosby scoring the OT winner

2002 was more important overall, but I think 2010 is more vividly remembered by a lot of people.

I think if Canada had lost that OT in 2010, it would have been more crushing than a loss in the 2002 gold medal game.

Your 2nd point kinda invalidates your argument because Canada was a disaster in 1998 AND 1996, and for 50 straight years before that.

dino7c · 02-13-2025, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Gretzky-Lemieux-Hawerchuk-Coffee-Bourque was pretty good.

Its hard to compare eras...players were far less skilled back then though for various reasons. 80s NHL games look like current mid tier beer league when you watch old games.

OutOfTheCube · 02-13-2025, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

lol 3 cups vs zero

McDavid past the second round two times...won games past the 2nd round ONE time

I mean you think the Oilers will be good in 10 years time? Come on now, dumb post is dumb. If Crosby moved to a decent team within their cup window they would be overwhelming favourites.

OH so Crosby needs to be on a good team to be a winner, I see. Doesn't just automatically elevate everyone around him to winners as claimed.

dino7c · 02-13-2025, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

OH so Crosby needs to be on a good team to be a winner, I see. Doesn't just automatically elevate everyone around him to winners as claimed.

lol wat, he is 37

In his prime he elevated a young and less skilled Pens team to beat the juggernaut Detroit Red Wings for the cup. When did McDavid do that? Even at 37 he can elevate a team but there is some limit. If he goes to the Avs they will win the cup IMO.

Crosby captained a team to a cup at 21 lol...nobody even comes close

Enoch Root · 02-13-2025, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

OH so Crosby needs to be on a good team to be a winner, I see. Doesn't just automatically elevate everyone around him to winners as claimed.

EVERYONE needs a team around them.

Did Gretzky win the cup every year? Did Lemieux?

WTF are you trying to argue? McDavid isn't winning every year either, so what point are you trying to make here? Other than the usual: CP is stupid!

dino7c · 02-13-2025, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

EVERYONE needs a team around them.

Did Gretzky win the cup every year? Did Lemieux?

WTF are you trying to argue? McDavid isn't winning every year either, so what point are you trying to make here? Other than the usual: CP is stupid!

that's an understatement. Crosby had one at 21 as captain, McDAvid is a little behind

activeStick · 02-13-2025, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

give some other guys a shot maybe

I actually enjoyed seeing Mackinnon out there in OT for all those minutes and NOT passing to McDavid, like on that 2 on 1. I was laughing my ass off.

dino7c · 02-13-2025, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by activeStick

I actually enjoyed seeing Mackinnon out there in OT for all those minutes and NOT passing to McDavid, like on that 2 on 1. I was laughing my ass off.

my point was just about his saying 10 mins of OT is too long...it would be cool to see some unsung heros win one in OT.

ViKen · 02-13-2025, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

What a cringe way to end the game. everybody on the ice for the 3 stars and Crosby gets a gift bag from Dollarama! lol

Do you have something against Dollarama?

Scooter · 02-13-2025, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

my point was just about his saying 10 mins of OT is too long...it would be cool to see some unsung heros win one in OT.

Kinda funny Mackinnon saying how tired he was and 10 min OT is too long and yet he shows up for the optional skate today with Sid.

FlamesAddiction · 02-13-2025, 03:14 PM

OK, so based on the comments in this thread I gave in and watch the condensed game.

Better quality than an All-Star game for sure. I am still not really into it though. I don't know if it is because there are good players not able to participate because of their nationality, or if it is because there is nothing at stake really. But I agree, better than an All-Star game.

I just will we didn't have another 10 days until another Flames game. Oh well though.

Jiri Hrdina · 02-13-2025, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by activeStick

I actually enjoyed seeing Mackinnon out there in OT for all those minutes and NOT passing to McDavid, like on that 2 on 1. I was laughing my ass off.

Mackinnon plays the game with such aggression. He wants to be the guy that ends it. I like that. And every chance was a good one. He's a bull out there.

dino7c · 02-13-2025, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Mackinnon plays the game with such aggression. He wants to be the guy that ends it. I like that. And every chance was a good one. He's a bull out there.

He took a couple so-so shots when Canada had almost zero possession that led to high danger chances the other way. I could do without those. We could have a 3 on 3 to go to the finals...in that case I would rather a guy not try to go 1 on 3. If Binnington of all people didn't bail him out I think the convo would be different.

Kidder · 02-13-2025, 03:29 PM

I’ve been curious if this tournament ignites a fire in Crosby and he reassesses his decision to just stay in Pittsburgh to wind down his career.

It’s clear that if he jumped on a cup contender he still has it in him to be a difference maker and elevate a team.

It would help out Pittsburgh too, returning a slew of picks and prospects to set them up for the nearer future.

Does Crosby get swooned by the crowds and praise and decides he wants to play meaningful hockey with a chance at another cup again?