Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

come canvas the northeast industrial areas and ask about the crime we are seeing. Just because you dont want to believe it does not make it true. Head in sand approach in action.

Ask some officers if you know them about the crime in this area.

Vile fact time.

https://data.calgary.ca/stories/s/Co...ens/sycx-s5a6/

Commercial B&Es half of what they were five years ago.

Commercial robbery fairly consistent, going up and down every year, with 2024 more than 2023, but less than 2022 or 2021.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

If you are just willing to shrug off things like SNC it really shows how partisan you are. That was far more than just a bungling matter and incompetence at play. It was a scandal that ripped through our procedural systems and damaged the independence of governing bodies. It involved political interference from the PMO to save their buddies at SNC.

Which should give you an idea of how un-liked CPC politics are in Canada because I agree with you it was a very serious issue and agree it should have ended the Liberal Party's time in power much like adscam did. And it didn't.

If you give Canadians even a moderately palatable alternative to a Conservative Prime Minister, they flock to it.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

If you are just willing to shrug off things like SNC it really shows how partisan you are. That was far more than just a bungling matter and incompetence at play. It was a scandal that ripped through our procedural systems and damaged the independence of governing bodies. It involved political interference from the PMO to save their buddies at SNC.

Fair enough, the judicial angle was also a scandal that pushed it beyond the typical stuff. If it makes you feel better I haven't voted for them since.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Vile fact time.

https://data.calgary.ca/stories/s/Co...ens/sycx-s5a6/

Commercial B&Es half of what they were five years ago.

Commercial robbery fairly consistent, going up and down every year, with 2024 more than 2023, but less than 2022 or 2021.

You know he's just going to come back and say that the statistical data you cited isn't accurate because people are just accepting crime as a fact of life now instead of reporting it to the authorities, thus the real crime rate isn't reflected in the stats. We live in a world where people don't care about facts, only V I B E S.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

If you are just willing to shrug off things like SNC it really shows how partisan you are. That was far more than just a bungling matter and incompetence at play. It was a scandal that ripped through our procedural systems and damaged the independence of governing bodies. It involved political interference from the PMO to save their buddies at SNC.

Thankfully none of us will be voting to keep in power Trudeau this coming election.

I assume you won’t be voting to keep Smith in power the next provincial election, given the current scandal of similar seriousness?

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Which should give you an idea of how un-liked CPC politics are in Canada because I agree with you it was a very serious issue and agree it should have ended the Liberal Party's time in power much like adscam did. And it didn't.

If you give Canadians even a moderately palatable alternative to a Conservative Prime Minister, they flock to it.

Honestly I think the polling would look a lot different if Erin O'Toole was still the leader vs PP.

O'Toole might not have racked up the same massive massive lead that PP had (assuming he didn't make the same decision to cater to the far right....and that's probably a pretty big assumption) but if he had continued with the moderate right of center that he campaigned the last election on, I bet he'd be polling pretty well right about now. Hell, you could make a pretty convincing argument that Carney fits the mold of your typical conservative leader before the rise of the far right.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

You know he's just going to come back and say that the statistical data you cited isn't accurate because people are just accepting crime as a fact of life now instead of reporting it to the authorities. We live in a world where people don't care about facts, only V I B E S.

You're also arguing with a guy who does not seem to be opposed to just making #### up to create anecdotal evidence as he goes along.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

To me, most of those are scandals of bungling, incompetence, and making bigger mistakes trying to cover up previous ones.

Sorry...what? Are you serious?

People got jail time (sponsorship), ministers and the attorney general got kicked out for speaking out on a bribery scandal involving a major Quebec employer being brushed under the carpet, a major charity very prominent in Canada suddenly vanished in a day while our finance minister (that other former one) resigns after preemptively declaring 41K of travel gifts given to him in the middle of an inquiry by said charity, and you are attributing it all to bungling and incompetence? And this while we still have several ongoing scandals not mentioned with 2 major ones holding up parliament since September (2 Randys, Green slush fund, ArriveCAN)

Meanwhile, you have folks debating about the merits of hockey tickets as business expenses in the Alberta thread. I think UCP is corrupt, has done many shady actions and Smith should absolutely resign based on everything that has been presented so far (and I have also voted against the UCP before any of this new stuff), and I do think Doug Ford should be investigated by the RCMP for the Green Belt scandal, but I hold all corruption accountable not specific to a party of political affiliation or downplay them based on partisanship, with penalties based on the severity of the corruption / scandal.

Maybe it should be looked at differently. The 2 most famous CPC scandals under Harper were the robocalls, and the Duffy affair. You have other ones like Redford's personal royal penthouse built for herself. If you were to put all scandals on a scale, how would you put them on a chart?

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Torture

Honestly I think the polling would look a lot different if Erin O'Toole was still the leader vs PP.

O'Toole might not have racked up the same massive massive lead that PP had (assuming he didn't make the same decision to cater to the far right) but if he had continued with the moderate right of center that he campaigned the last election on, I bet he'd be polling pretty well right about now.

If O'Toole had never catered to the alt-right in the lead up to the party nomination, I probably would have stomached to vote for him. If he'd survived to stayed on as leader and continued his rebuke of the alt right, much like Harper had done (even if he agreed with them), I probably would have voted for him. But if he'd done the former, he wouldn't have won the nomination to even have a chance to do the latter. The party is lead by fundamentalists who will accept nothing but a theocracy.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by Torture

Honestly I think the polling would look a lot different if Erin O'Toole was still the leader vs PP.

O'Toole might not have racked up the same massive massive lead that PP had (assuming he didn't make the same decision to cater to the far right) but if he had continued with the moderate right of center that he campaigned the last election on, I bet he'd be polling pretty well right about now.

Remember folks, Erin O'Toole was ousted by members of his own party because he wasn't deplorable enough. Conservative MPs desired a more MAGA-like leader who would be popular with the nutjob convoy conspiracy crowd, and they got exactly what they wanted with PP. This is who the Conservative Party of Canada are. Don't ever forget it.

[shotinthebacklund]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

You know he's just going to come back and say that the statistical data you cited isn't accurate because people are just accepting crime as a fact of life now instead of reporting it to the authorities, thus the real crime rate isn't reflected in the stats. We live in a world where people don't care about facts, only V I B E S.

I cant speak to what people are accepting or not. Just that my company has stopped reporting. Anecdotal, certainly. I guess personal experience is not to be shared here.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

If O'Toole had never catered to the alt-right in the lead up to the party nomination, I probably would have stomached to vote for him. If he'd survived to stayed on as leader and continued his rebuke of the alt right, much like Harper had done (even if he agreed with them), I probably would have voted for him. But if he'd done the former, he wouldn't have won the nomination to even have a chance to do the latter.

That's kinda what I mean. If he had not been turfed by the party, and been official opposition acting as a moderate right of centre, he'd be a viable alternative. But PP is too far right or most Canadians to stomach.*

*IMO / I hope / we'll see what happens when it really matters I guess.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

I cant speak to what people are accepting or not. Just that my company has stopped reporting. Anecdotal, certainly. I guess personal experience is not to be shared here.

If your company has stopped reporting, your insurance company will use that as a justification to not cover you the next time you do report a theft.

No business would stop reporting, even if the results are not what is desired. You're full of ####.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Thankfully none of us will be voting to keep in power Trudeau this coming election.

I assume you won’t be voting to keep Smith in power the next provincial election, given the current scandal of similar seriousness?

Whether or not Trudeau is there is largely irrelevant because many of the key players that sat quietly in the background and let things happen are still going to be around.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Whether or not Trudeau is there is largely irrelevant because many of the key players that sat quietly in the background and let things happen are still going to be around.

So you’re no longer supporting the UCP even if Smith gets turfed? I’ll hold you to it.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

So you’re no longer supporting the UCP even if Smith gets turfed? I’ll hold you to it.

I vote for fringe parties.

[Azure]

Oh, so now we're hearing about all these people that can't stand CPC policies. Earlier we heard about how crime rates are going down.

Fun day on CP!

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Azure

Oh, so now we're hearing about all these people that can't stand CPC policies. Earlier we heard about how crime rates are going down.

Fun day on CP!

If I could be bothered to post gifs on this forum this is where I'd post one of my favourites of Skeletor saying "WAT?"

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

If your company has stopped reporting, your insurance company will use that as a justification to not cover you the next time you do report a theft.

No business would stop reporting, even if the results are not what is desired. You're full of ####.

This isn't accurate.
If the damage is less than your deductible, there's no point in reporting the crime.
I have been in this exact situation and stopped reporting our break ins. We would just call a locksmith and move on.
Same with strata buildings I was involved with.

I don't know if break ins are up or down right now, but there is truth to people not reporting incidents.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

This isn't accurate.
If the damage is less than your deductible, there's no point in reporting the crime.
I have been in this exact situation and stopped reporting our break ins. We would just call a locksmith and move on.
Same with strata buildings I was involved with.

I don't know if break ins are up or down right now, but there is truth to people not reporting incidents.

domestic break ins are almost non existent in Vancouver, there is nothing in your house worth stealing in truth, electronics are all but valueless second hand, people no longer keep cash at home, there might be a bit of Tom in the wifes cabinet but even jewelry is rare these days

The one thing you own that has value you keep in your pocket when you go out, your phone.

The few breakins now are very targeted, houses with drugs or drug related cash or known high ened items (flashy watches etc)

It's partly why commercial thefts are up, it's one of the few places you can steal something worth money second hand relatively easily