Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[shotinthebacklund]

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...dex-in-canada/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...iolent-crimes/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...drug-offenses/
(logically this drops as weed was legalized.)

I was in the police station filling out a crime report. In walks two young women, laughing happy. One walks up to the desk and says I need to turn myself in I have a warrant for break and enter. officer tells them to sit down they would be with them shortly. They sat there looking at the map talking openly about what house they were robbing next. As they would be out in 24hrs anyway. I lost a lot of faith in our system that day. Criminals get more rights then their victims it seems.

[shotinthebacklund]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Pointing out that it’s wild some people will know absolutely nothing about something topical like mandatory minimum sentences but a lot about completely obscure terms and movements found almost exclusively within pro-pedophile communities?

I don’t see how that’s vile either. That kind of information disparity is quite surprising, actually.

False. Just because you are unaware, does not make it so. Pro-Pedofile, take that elsewhere.

[Ped]

It won't be the poll numbers that decide, it will be the city votes. And they were just looking for a reason to vote Liberal. Carney might just give them that reason.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...dex-in-canada/

While both show an increase, this seems completely out to lunch with Statistics Canada. Statista seems to hide their methodology behind a paywall as well so you kind of have to question what exactly their CSI is pulled from

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/dail.../t001b-eng.htm

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

I was in the police station filling out a crime report. In walks two young women, laughing happy. One walks up to the desk and says I need to turn myself in I have a warrant for break and enter. officer tells them to sit down they would be with them shortly. They sat there looking at the map talking openly about what house they were robbing next. As they would be out in 24hrs anyway. I lost a lot of faith in our system that day. Criminals get more rights then their victims it seems.

[shotinthebacklund]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Thats fine. I have no way to prove it to you anyway.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...dex-in-canada/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...iolent-crimes/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...drug-offenses/
(logically this drops as weed was legalized.)

I was in the police station filling out a crime report. In walks two young women, laughing happy. One walks up to the desk and says I need to turn myself in I have a warrant for break and enter. officer tells them to sit down they would be with them shortly. They sat there looking at the map talking openly about what house they were robbing next. As they would be out in 24hrs anyway. I lost a lot of faith in our system that day. Criminals get more rights then their victims it seems.

Then I turned around and said, "hey guys, we live in a society" and i gave them a piece of my mind!

Then everyone in the police station started slow clapping as i left.

[shotinthebacklund]

“This is insane and it should not be happening in Canada,” he said.
The opposition leader singled out the Liberal government’s amendments to the Criminal Code in 2022 that repealed some mandatory minimum penalties for various crimes, including a four-year minimum for extortion with a firearm.
However, there remains a five-year mandatory minimum sentence for first-time extortionists who use a restricted or prohibited firearm, or who use any type of gun on behalf of a criminal organization.
Poilievre said the Conservatives would impose mandatory minimum sentences of three years on anyone convicted of extortion, and five years for someone found to be “acting on behalf of gangs or organized crime.”
He said his party’s plan would give police and prosecutors another tool to target “ringleaders” of criminal gangs, and restore the four-year mandatory minimum sentence for all extortionists who use a firearm, regardless of the type or circumstances.


This is the type of mandatory minimum penalties that PP is talking about. Its not a blank slate policy

[Doctorfever]

Fascinating times. We have people who are absolutely outraged (I think rightfully) that the provincial government is involved in a scandal.

The same people are falling over themselves looking for a reason to vote for (again) the most corrupt government in the history of Canada. Well, the Sponsorship Scandal might trump the SNC Lavalin Affair, but if you add up all the scandals and ethical breaches of the current Liberal government, they are by far the most corrupt.

I feel like we aren’t holding the government accountable at all for scandals / ethical breaches. In fact, by casting a vote for them, you are saying it is ok. Why would it be ok at one level of government and not the other?

It seems hypocritical to want to vote Liberal and at the same time chastise the provincial government.

(Cue the “but we don’t like PP” crowd…)

[Roughneck]

Who'd you vote for provincially, Doc? Who are you going to vote for again.



Be honest now.

[shotinthebacklund]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

While both show an increase, this seems completely out to lunch with Statistics Canada. Statista seems to hide their methodology behind a paywall as well so you kind of have to question what exactly their CSI is pulled from

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/dail.../t001b-eng.htm

Both of those show the same thing data wise for that specific data pull. 74 - 99
Your first graph posted is the rate per 100,000, not the raw numbers.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

Who'd you vote for provincially, Doc? Who are you going to vote for again.



Be honest now.

I will wait for the findings of the investigation. But if corruption is found, I will NOT vote UCP.

Honestly.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...dex-in-canada/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...iolent-crimes/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...drug-offenses/
(logically this drops as weed was legalized.)

I was in the police station filling out a crime report. In walks two young women, laughing happy. One walks up to the desk and says I need to turn myself in I have a warrant for break and enter. officer tells them to sit down they would be with them shortly. They sat there looking at the map talking openly about what house they were robbing next. As they would be out in 24hrs anyway. I lost a lot of faith in our system that day. Criminals get more rights then their victims it seems.

Must be demoralizing for the police.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Fascinating times. We have people who are absolutely outraged (I think rightfully) that the provincial government is involved in a scandal.

The same people are falling over themselves looking for a reason to vote for (again) the most corrupt government in the history of Canada. Well, the Sponsorship Scandal might trump the SNC Lavalin Affair, but if you add up all the scandals and ethical breaches of the current Liberal government, they are by far the most corrupt.

I feel like we aren’t holding the government accountable at all for scandals / ethical breaches. In fact, by casting a vote for them, you are saying it is ok. Why would it be ok at one level of government and not the other?

It seems hypocritical to want to vote Liberal and at the same time chastise the provincial government.

(Cue the “but we don’t like PP” crowd…)

I still think the swiss model should be considered. Get rid of the politicians and decisions made via referendum. The bureaucracy stays in place to run things.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

I was in the police station filling out a crime report. In walks two young women, laughing happy. One walks up to the desk and says I need to turn myself in I have a warrant for break and enter. officer tells them to sit down they would be with them shortly. They sat there looking at the map talking openly about what house they were robbing next. As they would be out in 24hrs anyway. I lost a lot of faith in our system that day. Criminals get more rights then their victims it seems.

And then everyone clapped.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

I will wait for the findings of the investigation. But if corruption is found, I will NOT vote UCP.

Honestly.

I find that government decisions that don't benefit the people, but sends money or land.... somewhere.... is a pretty good barometre for corruption.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...dex-in-canada/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...iolent-crimes/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...drug-offenses/
(logically this drops as weed was legalized.)

I was in the police station filling out a crime report. In walks two young women, laughing happy. One walks up to the desk and says I need to turn myself in I have a warrant for break and enter. officer tells them to sit down they would be with them shortly. They sat there looking at the map talking openly about what house they were robbing next. As they would be out in 24hrs anyway. I lost a lot of faith in our system that day. Criminals get more rights then their victims it seems.

What did they charge you with?

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

If Freeland was the candidate I would agree. But if it's Carney and he can distance himself enough from JT a lot of people will vote for him.

PP was a huge leader in the polls because he wasn't JT. That's it. Now that safety net of blaming him for everything and running against him is gone a lot of the support he may have received before is dwindling because PP is a smug, arrogant man. His entire schtick is blaming somebody else for everything. It's boring. And his dumb little nicknames and phrases turn a lot of people off.

I'm not sure who will win, but at the very least, if Carney is the candidate it will be close. No landslide victory for the CPC anymore. And it's mostly due to just how unlikeable PP is.

I agree especially that this is no longer a cakewalk, but if the bolded was true, Singh / NDP would have siphoned off most of the Liberal support as they once did in 2011. We would have also seen a shift in the polls after Trudeau resigned and Carney announced his leadership bid which was not the case.

Many Canadians rightfully had a major beef with how Liberal / NDP governed and still have that beef.

This is mostly about the Trump effect and that Poilievre hasn't completely denounced them (Musk endorsed Poilievre for example). Canadians generally associate CPC with Republicans and fear he would do the same or sell out Canada (even if he has not done such). Canadians are very angry right now, have mostly united in their hate for the US and they now think Carney would do a better job than Poilievre would at facing this threat (perhaps in part thanks to some great speeches / retaliatory action by Trudeau). Carney has presented himself as moving Liberal to the right, criticized the far left, and at this point, CPC has been quite unsuccessful in their Just Like Trudeau slogan. Carbon tax is just no longer the #1 priority right now, and with Carney campaigning on axing the consumer carbon tax and on focusing on cutting spending, Poilievre just lost most of his sail while the focus is on how do we protect ourselves against the US. Carney could easily pass as a CPC member without the social right wing in the way.

I do not see any of this play out as it has if Harris won the election, which is why I cannot attribute it to this being solely about Trudeau.

Images like this and slogan were never in the plans a month ago.



Carney is in this new freshener honeymoon phase that Harris experienced when everyone flocked to her...once she started talking though and would make no changes from the Biden administration, while backing the US policy on Israel she lost the momentum fast. This is likely why there is rumours that Carney is now talking of a snap election from the Liberal perspective to give the best chance selling him as a newcomer with new policies looking for a fresh mandate, while Canadians have largely forgotten what they were previously mad about as there are much bigger issues at hand. Get the election done now before CPC has a time to pivot and before Carney has time to get himself in trouble (he supports the century initiative, expansion of embedded carbon pricing). I do totally blame the CPC / Poilievre for the mess they created themselves and not paying attention to the tirefire down south that would try to take us over. I just don't see it as simple as Canadians are tired of hearing Poilievre or that this was just about Trudeau.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

I find that government decisions that don't benefit the people, but sends money or land.... somewhere.... is a pretty good barometre for corruption.

How do you rate;
Sponsorship Scandal
We Scandal
Airbus Affair
SNC Lavalin Affair

Are any of those “fireable offences”?

[Azure]

Today I learned we don't have a growing crime problem, because crime is not being reported! Imagine not actually understanding how statistics work.

What a world we live in.