Israel declares war on Hamas

[Language]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Another post from one of the more vile users here, adding nothing positive or useful as usual.

I don’t think there’s anyone in this thread that has posted more but said less. At least Bagor/Zary decided to take a self-imposed time out, so Pepsi is stepping it up a notch in their absence.


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[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by chubeyr1

More useful than your post. Attack the poster not the post per usual!

Your Nage should not call people vile and useless. Great point.

Originally Posted by Language

I don’t think there’s anyone in this thread that has posted more but said less. At least Bagor/Zary decided to take a self-imposed time out, so Pepsi is stepping it up a notch in their absence.

Don’t undersell the contributions of Nage, Pointman, and yourself. Not everyone can write hundreds upon hundreds of words of far right propaganda that they recycle every few weeks.

I personally can’t wait for the next time one of you explain the “actual” history of the region like you’re doing it for the first time. Always a treat. The parts where you pretend to want a two state solution and then lose yourself in hate for Palestinians is extra novel!

[SutterBrother]

Guardian article speculates that Hamas will be unlikely to release next 3 hostages, and the war will continue, now with further incentives for Israel thanks to Trump.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...sefire-falters

Which path the group will take will become clear on Friday night, when Hamas is supposed to deliver the names of the three hostages before their release. If they do not materialise, Israel will have ample justification to resume the war, with Trump’s blessing – an outcome that will let Netanyahu, the ultimate political Houdini, keep his rightwing coalition government intact.

Hope those Palestinian protest voters against Harris feel good about their choices.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by SutterBrother

Guardian article speculates that Hamas will be unlikely to release next 3 hostages, and the war will continue, now with further incentives for Israel thanks to Trump.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...sefire-falters



Hope those Palestinian protest voters against Harris feel good about their choices.

I guess Hamas has realized their only hope of holding onto power is in the midst of conflict?

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by SutterBrother

Guardian article speculates that Hamas will be unlikely to release next 3 hostages, and the war will continue, now with further incentives for Israel thanks to Trump.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...sefire-falters



Hope those Palestinian protest voters against Harris feel good about their choices.

Biden and Harris oversaw 90% of the destruction.
Unfortunately Palestine is destined for a foot note in the history books.
It appears nothing will stop the genocide.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Biden and Harris oversaw 90% of the destruction.
Unfortunately Palestine is destined for a foot note in the history books.
It appears nothing will stop the genocide.

There is no genocide, we can stop with the nonsense. If there was, the world would have been evacuating people and there would be massive evacuation efforts. Unfortunately, we witnessed a brutal war. Calling it a genocide does more harm then good.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

There is no genocide, we can stop with the nonsense. If there was, the world would have been evacuating people and there would be massive evacuation efforts. Unfortunately, we witnessed a brutal war. Calling it a genocide does more harm then good.

It is a genocide, and suggesting it isn’t because it doesn’t meet an imaginary threshold of international intervention that few if any genocides have ever met in history, including those going on today, is absurd.

It is a genocide regardless of how much people who call those who think differently than them “vile” want to believe it or not. The Israel far right government and their supporters do not represent Jewish people in Israel and around the world, and should stop speaking as authorities on the matter.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

There is no genocide, we can stop with the nonsense. If there was, the world would have been evacuating people and there would be massive evacuation efforts. Unfortunately, we witnessed a brutal war. Calling it a genocide does more harm then good.

Asking out of ignorance.

Did the world step in for mass evacuations during the Balkan wars? There were several genocides going on there.

[CroFlames]

Or Rwanda

[SutterBrother]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Biden and Harris oversaw 90% of the destruction.
Unfortunately Palestine is destined for a foot note in the history books.
It appears nothing will stop the genocide.

Biden and Harris made reasonable efforts to be a moderating influence. They didn't amount to much, but they were rational adults.

Aside from being a moron, Trump and his admin also openly hate Muslims and brown people - any restraint the US may have shown to this point is over.

Palestine is about to cease to exist.

[Nage Waza]

Just reminding myself of what took place in what I assume you mean as the war in the 90s? I think they ruled there was no genocide? I am not too well versed on this one anymore, but there are a few CP'rs that are very well read on the subject (and even served there).

Mass evacuations like what happened in Ukraine and Syria are much more recent. Syria itself had about seven million refugees and Ukraine just about the same. Looking on Wiki, Canada took in 60,000 Syrians and 170,000 from Ukraine. In both cases, many of us in Canada helped build welcome packages for these people or even took them into their homes.

In both cases, there was tremendous damage from war, similar to what we see in Gaza.

[Language]

With the Palestinians, it’s a tale as old as time.

Start wars, lose wars, cry for sympathy. Rinse and repeat.

Theres the gullible minority in the west that gets sucked in, and ironically enough, it helps prop Hamas up because they see they’re gaining world sympathy. Hamas doesn’t give a crap about the Palestinians, they’ve made this clear themselves.

There is no genocide, there is no ethnic cleansing. Wars sucks and the Palestinians should stop starting them if they don’t want to be doomed.

And as said above, millions of Syrians and Ukrainians have been taken in abroad in the midst of the wars in those countries. Most Arab nations won’t say it out loud, but secretly, they just don’t want the Palestinians. They’re worried they will destabilize the country.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by blankall

I guess Hamas has realized their only hope of holding onto power is in the midst of conflict?

I can’t figure out why the Palestinians support Hamas. What have they ever brought to them outside of death and destruction.

[SutterBrother]

Originally Posted by Goriders

I can’t figure out why the Palestinians support Hamas. What have they ever brought to them outside of death and destruction.

Indoctrination.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Language

With the Palestinians, it’s a tale as old as time.

Start wars, lose wars, cry for sympathy. Rinse and repeat.

Theres the gullible minority in the west that gets sucked in, and ironically enough, it helps prop Hamas up because they see they’re gaining world sympathy. Hamas doesn’t give a crap about the Palestinians, they’ve made this clear themselves.

There is no genocide, there is no ethnic cleansing. Wars sucks and the Palestinians should stop starting them if they don’t want to be doomed.

And as said above, millions of Syrians and Ukrainians have been taken in abroad in the midst of the wars in those countries. Most Arab nations won’t say it out loud, but secretly, they just don’t want the Palestinians. They’re worried they will destabilize the country.

Repeating the same bigoted nonsense over and over and over again doesn’t make it true.

Eventually you’re going to have to stop convincing yourself why the people you hate have to die and accept, just maybe, you have more in common with the terrorists than the innocent lives caught in the middle of all this.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by SutterBrother

Indoctrination.

I was thinking more along the intimidation line. Oppose them and you dissappear. I’m sure some support them in the hopes of getting revenge. But they must see now that Hamas is taking them to nowhere other than the complete destruction of their society.

[BigThief]

It isn't a genocide because of how others reacted? Right.

[SutterBrother]

When asked what would be a “realistic and acceptable” ending to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, just under half of the population said some division of territory between Israel and Palestine, either along the pre-1967 borders or those suggested by the UN in 1947, while slightly more than half preferred a dissolution of Israel, with a single Palestinian state under Islamic law the most preferred solution of all. The least preferred was a single democratic state with equal rights for Arabs and Jews.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...as-in-gaza-now

The Palestinians are under the triple yokes of a terrorist organization governing them, fanaticism of religious zealotry throughout their society, and in conflict with an oppressive and militarily superior state (who are also managed by religious zealots).

The concept of "support" doesn't really apply here. They are in survival mode. Whoever has the last gallon of water for my kid gets my vote.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Language

With the Palestinians, it’s a tale as old as time.

Start wars, lose wars, cry for sympathy. Rinse and repeat.

Theres the gullible minority in the west that gets sucked in, and ironically enough, it helps prop Hamas up because they see they’re gaining world sympathy. Hamas doesn’t give a crap about the Palestinians, they’ve made this clear themselves.

There is no genocide, there is no ethnic cleansing. Wars sucks and the Palestinians should stop starting them if they don’t want to be doomed.

And as said above, millions of Syrians and Ukrainians have been taken in abroad in the midst of the wars in those countries. Most Arab nations won’t say it out loud, but secretly, they just don’t want the Palestinians. They’re worried they will destabilize the country.

This is the Israeli point of view. For many Palestinians/Arabs who have lived there since Roman times, they think the Israelis invaded and started the war in 1948 and endures.

The Israeli needs to understand this in order to understand the Palestinians' point of view.

Solution? Don't ask me. But I don't see a future where both peoples live there peacefully.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Just reminding myself of what took place in what I assume you mean as the war in the 90s? I think they ruled there was no genocide?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_genocide

Here's a pretty long list of people found guilty of war crimes, many including genocide:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...mer_Yugoslavia