02-12-2025, 09:24 AM
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#121
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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What you want is at least one guy you really trust to win that important face off (offensive zone draw on PP, defensive zone draw on PK, etc).
As you guys say in the course of a game it's mostly a toss up, but really you just want a guy you can trust on the big ones.
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02-12-2025, 09:49 AM
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#122
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Flames fan in Seattle
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Originally Posted by The Cobra
I've mentioned this a few times before, while winning faceoffs is not irrelevant, the difference between good and poor face off guys is largely irrelevant.
The difference is 1 a game.
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Except our guys who can go 0 for 11 in a period lol
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02-12-2025, 10:03 AM
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#123
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Franchise Player
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The problem with relegating Backlund to the 4th line is someone else has to take on matchup responsibilities. Will it help or hurt Zary’s development as a centre to routinely throw him out against the McKinnon, McDavid, and Eichel lines?
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02-12-2025, 10:19 AM
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#124
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Bay Area
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Just as an aside...this thread is a model of how discussion can be great on this site. Good back and forth. Some stats. Some solid takes. No politics. And no one with a mean streak making snide and personal remarks that sideswipe the debate. And Locke and Reggie dropping some random off-the-wall #### as they should.
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02-12-2025, 10:23 AM
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#125
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
What you want is at least one guy you really trust to win that important face off (offensive zone draw on PP, defensive zone draw on PK, etc).
As you guys say in the course of a game it's mostly a toss up, but really you just want a guy you can trust on the big ones.
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There's alos lots of space between a clean win and a clean loss. On a PK a decent tie up can help as well. Just don't let that set play go unimpeded.
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02-12-2025, 10:32 AM
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#126
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Huska is a man of many skills, however it is alleged that he has purchased a unicycle and procured some bowling pins.
How this is expected to turn out or how it relates to coaching hockey is anyone's guess.
Perhaps he is test-driving a new training regimen?
The rumour that he has Trademarked 'Honka, Honka Huska' is, to this point, thoroughly unsubstantiated.
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02-12-2025, 10:36 AM
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#127
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Originally Posted by dustygoon
Just as an aside...this thread is a model of how discussion can be great on this site. Good back and forth. Some stats. Some solid takes. No politics. And no one with a mean streak making snide and personal remarks that sideswipe the debate. And Locke and Reggie dropping some random off-the-wall #### as they should. 
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I know I'm not taking this seriously but....Huska has been doing a hell of a job working with, lets be honest, not a helluva lot.
So the obvious and more serious answer is...."What should Huska do after the break?"
More or less the same as what he's been doing before it.
Oh, but swear more! I love that! I'd love to have a completely censored 'Huska enters the dressing room' for like 90 seconds...but in a positive and happy way!
It starts with "Great game boys!" and then the rest is just dead air while you try and guess what he's saying.
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02-12-2025, 10:46 AM
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#128
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
Kadri’s faceoff stats are bad when you consider he also gets tossed a whole lot.
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I think Backs gets tossed even more!
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02-12-2025, 10:53 AM
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#129
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher
The problem with relegating Backlund to the 4th line is someone else has to take on matchup responsibilities. Will it help or hurt Zary’s development as a centre to routinely throw him out against the McKinnon, McDavid, and Eichel lines?
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The guy is turning 36 soon. Someone else has to take up the reins sooner or later. It's going to be over the next season or two. Probably best to get ahead of it and let these younger work there way up to full time.
Frost is a bit more seasoned. Maybe you can try giving him the hard match ups?
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02-12-2025, 11:02 AM
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#130
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Uranus
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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
What you want is at least one guy you really trust to win that important face off (offensive zone draw on PP, defensive zone draw on PK, etc).
As you guys say in the course of a game it's mostly a toss up, but really you just want a guy you can trust on the big ones.
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Even that value is overrated really. What's the actual difference of one center who is 52% and another who is 48% over an 82 game season?
You're talking maybe 50 more wins over the course of an entire season's worth of faceoffs, which doesn't even add up to 1 more draw win per game.
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02-12-2025, 11:13 AM
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#131
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by traptor
The guy is turning 36 soon. Someone else has to take up the reins sooner or later. It's going to be over the next season or two. Probably best to get ahead of it and let these younger work there way up to full time.
Frost is a bit more seasoned. Maybe you can try giving him the hard match ups?
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I think you move the matchups to someone else when Backlund is no longer your best center at neutralizing top opponents.
In the meantime, young centers get to watch him work in practice and games.
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02-12-2025, 12:02 PM
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#132
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Vancouver
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I trust Huska to keep following his own intuition and strategy. The Flames have over performed and his willingness to sub in a variety of players throughout the lineup show he isn’t satisfied or complacent with anything. If nothing is working towards the playoff push I would prefer to see the remaining season is used to develop young borderline players like Keirins, Solovyov, Klapka, Morton, Stromgren, etc. In this scenario I would also hope Conroy be a seller at the deadline to find new teams for Barrie, Rooney, Miromanov, and Vladar.
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02-12-2025, 12:04 PM
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#133
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First Line Centre
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Backlund can still be our "matchup" center without playing over 19 minutes a game, which is quite frankly far too much. There is zero need to have him out there on the PP. Cut his minutes back, and allow his line to eat defensive zone starts at five on five. I look at a team like Washington and the success they are having with the utilization of Nic Dowd in a shutdown role playing 15 minutes a night with under 12% offensive zone starts at five on five.
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02-12-2025, 12:14 PM
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#134
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by HighLifeMan
Backlund can still be our "matchup" center without playing over 19 minutes a game, which is quite frankly far too much. There is zero need to have him out there on the PP. Cut his minutes back, and allow his line to eat defensive zone starts at five on five. I look at a team like Washington and the success they are having with the utilization of Nic Dowd in a shutdown role playing 15 minutes a night with under 12% offensive zone starts at five on five.
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Yes, he might be more effective playing 15 minutes (mostly 5 on 5) per game. Leave the PP to the players who are more pure goal scorers.
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02-12-2025, 12:45 PM
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#135
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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PP:
Huberdeau-Kadri-Zary-Coronato-Weegar
Coleman-Frost-Farabee-Sharangovich-Andersson
You could switch Coleman for a big net front guy like Klapka if you want.
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02-12-2025, 01:11 PM
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#136
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First Line Centre
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We really don't need a "defensive match up center" during a rebuild. Especially not a 36 year old one.
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02-12-2025, 01:14 PM
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#137
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: A small painted room
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I think the ball's in Bahl's court. Somehow became our glue guy!
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02-12-2025, 01:22 PM
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#138
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HighLifeMan
Backlund can still be our "matchup" center without playing over 19 minutes a game, which is quite frankly far too much. There is zero need to have him out there on the PP. Cut his minutes back, and allow his line to eat defensive zone starts at five on five. I look at a team like Washington and the success they are having with the utilization of Nic Dowd in a shutdown role playing 15 minutes a night with under 12% offensive zone starts at five on five.
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Agree 100%.
Heck they may get more five on five mileage out of him if they reduce his PK workload too.
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02-12-2025, 03:20 PM
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#139
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Franchise Player
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Regarding faceoffs...
They are like PPs, the percentage doesn't matter, it's all about winning the key ones.
You aren't changing a game by winning 55% of your faceoffs, when half of them are in the neutral zone anyway. But there are maybe half a dozen draws a game, where the game could be won or lost by the draw. How you do on those ones matters.
Anecdotal of course, but I have always found Backlund to be bad on those critical draws.
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02-12-2025, 04:00 PM
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#140
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Normally, my desk
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
Regarding faceoffs...
They are like PPs, the percentage doesn't matter, it's all about winning the key ones.
You aren't changing a game by winning 55% of your faceoffs, when half of them are in the neutral zone anyway. But there are maybe half a dozen draws a game, where the game could be won or lost by the draw. How you do on those ones matters.
Anecdotal of course, but I have always found Backlund to be bad on those critical draws.
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You should patent your new stat HDFO%. I'm kidding about the patent, but why not rank face-offs like they do scoring chances. Maybe team statisticians do... 'shrug'
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