Making the playoffs or keeping our top-10 first round pick 2025?

[Bingo]

The abuse Treliving takes on this site is off the charts.

Trade didn't work out.

Wish he didn't do it.

But the hockey community had the Flames as a contending team after those moves before puck drop on that season.

Not sure how the goof got all that media from other cities behind him.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Tree wasn't trying to manage the asset - he was trying to keep his team's window open and to do so he needed a centre that could actually play. At that time, it wasn't clear if Monahan could return to the game at all.

[calumniate]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Tree wasn't trying to manage the asset - he was trying to keep his team's window open and to do so he needed a centre that could actually play. At that time, it wasn't clear if Monahan could return to the game at all.

The first was a verry steep price. Habs got a first and then another first, which they turned into Michael Hage.

[redmile04]

Originally Posted by Bingo

The abuse Treliving takes on this site is off the charts.

Trade didn't work out.

Wish he didn't do it.

But the hockey community had the Flames as a contending team after those moves before puck drop on that season.

Not sure how the goof got all that media from other cities behind him.

The abuse he takes is because of the multiple draft picks he traded for lack of success, the many coaches he hired and fired, a new goalie almost every year, multiple poor UFA signings that led to buyouts, always being 2nd for top players, all of these while being given permission to spend to the cap...plus many other reasons. These just came to mind.

The abuse is warranted IMO, he didn't have a clue. Blown opportunity in that era, if we had a competent gm.. i can see thing's going very differently for us...

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Tree wasn't trying to manage the asset - he was trying to keep his team's window open and to do so he needed a centre that could actually play. At that time, it wasn't clear if Monahan could return to the game at all.

Right. Monahan was injured. That's what LTIR is for. That's what every other team in the league does, not spend assets to trade away an injured player.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bingo

The abuse Treliving takes on this site is off the charts.

Trade didn't work out.

Wish he didn't do it.

But the hockey community had the Flames as a contending team after those moves before puck drop on that season.

Not sure how the goof got all that media from other cities behind him.

What bothers me is that Montreal was already getting a 1st to take on a bad contract and I don't understand how they were in any position to demand the earlier of the Flames two first round picks. If anything the condition should have been that the Flames would keep the earlier pick as a first round pick of any sort was a steep price to pay for the Flames. I just think the guy was a little reckless at the end fully knowing he had one foot out the door.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

What bothers me is that Montreal was already getting a 1st to take on a bad contract and I don't understand how they were in any position to demand the earlier of the Flames two first round picks. If anything the condition should have been that the Flames would keep the earlier pick as a first round pick of any sort was a steep price to pay for the Flames. I just think the guy was a little reckless at the end fully knowing he had one foot out the door.

Almost like an attempt to hamstring the Flames on his way out, in order to prevent the Flames from being a Cup contender while he tries to make the Leafs into one.

[Flamesfan05]

Imagine defending Treliving.

That’s crazy stuff

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Imagine defending Treliving.

That’s crazy stuff

Well, he did OK on a few RFA signings. But his trading history was mixed, and his UFA signings and coaching hires were atrocious. He left the Flames as a mediocre team with depleted draft choices and one of the weakest prospect pipelines in the league.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by Bingo

The abuse Treliving takes on this site is off the charts.

Trade didn't work out.

Wish he didn't do it.

But the hockey community had the Flames as a contending team after those moves before puck drop on that season.

Not sure how the goof got all that media from other cities behind him.

I think it just goes to show how wrong the hockey community can be sometimes.

Losing your two star wingers should have pushed us down a different path.

The Tkachuk trade netted us a solid return but trading him for another star winger who was 4.5 years older was already a step in the wrong direction. Signing Huberdeau to the richest contract in franchise history before ever suiting up was another. Trading a fan favorite along with the better 1st so we could give max term and dollars to a 31 year old was yet another.

Tre utilized his leverage to get better AAV on contracts with guys like Gaudreau and Tkachuk, and then he just opens the coffers for Huberdeau, Weegar and Kadri?

I get that nobody could have predicted the Huberdeau downfall but he made the team significantly older with those moves and removed our cap flexibility that he fought so hard, in dealings with RFA's, to maintain.

Tkachuk wanted to sign longer on his bridge deal but Tre had reservations about moving Frolik, who fizzled out shortly thereafter, to make it work. You should always sign your young studs to as long as you can as early as you can.

I was always a huge supporter of Tre as a manager and as a person. Now all I can say, when looking back on his tenure, is I still support him as being a really good person.

He made too many critical errors at the end.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by calumniate

The first was a verry steep price. Habs got a first and then another first, which they turned into Michael Hage.

Including Hage in the price the Flames paid is not accurate.
Including because the Habs had to first re-sign him as a UFA. Then they got the 1st for him.
Great job by the Habs, but let's not over-state the price Calgary paid. Chances are Monny was moving on as a free agent.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Bingo

The abuse Treliving takes on this site is off the charts.

Trade didn't work out.

Wish he didn't do it.

But the hockey community had the Flames as a contending team after those moves before puck drop on that season.

Not sure how the goof got all that media from other cities behind him.

The monahan move to make room for kadri was the wrong way to handle it.

LTIR was the way to go. And you figure out a solution that doesn't cost you a 1st round pick along the way.

There was always a realistic chance Monahan could heal and regain form.

He got impulsive after getting spurned by gaudreau's camp last minute and made moves (including the whopper signings) and pushed all his chips in on his plan B instead of thinking things through and considering different outcomes.

Signed huby when his stock was at its highest. And dealt monahan when his stock was at its lowest.

Signaled impatience. All after patience and process was his MO for years. He abandoned it that off-season and the team is still paying for it under CC.

And best of all, leaves town right after it was evident those moves were backfiring.

The flak is earned.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Imagine defending Treliving.

That’s crazy stuff

It isn't defending Tree, it's providing context for where the team was at the time and what their objectives were.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Bingo

The abuse Treliving takes on this site is off the charts.

Trade didn't work out.

Wish he didn't do it.

But the hockey community had the Flames as a contending team after those moves before puck drop on that season.

Not sure how the goof got all that media from other cities behind him.

Since when is the hockey media looked at as particularly good at assessing anything? They've also been saying the oilers will win the cup for nearly 10 years straight...

Half this board knew where the team was likely to be, and knew immediately that the trade was one of the worst in flames history. Frankly it's probably on track to be one of the worst in league history at this point. Monahan is a ppg center, the exact thing our team is missing. We gave up an important pick to our rebuilding efforts just to move him out. We also signed an older and arguably worse player using the dollars.

There's really no redeeming parts about it. Treliving deserves the abuse, but IMO this is above Treliving. The abuse he deserves is just for continuing to be a puppet after claiming to have cut his strings. Ownership of this franchise continues to force the dumbest decisions.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

The Tkachuk trade was a good move under pressure of a difficult situation.

Signing them immediately was short sighted.

Huby would've still had a league wide perception of high value even in a 55 point season. If he didn't sign him, he could've flipped him for good assets.

But he needed to redeem their failure to lock up Johnny and Matthew right then and there.

Foolish.

[Monahammer]

That's ignoring the "people" side that you, Bingo, like to champion the most. Monahan is an amazing person. He was a home grown talent. He fit in here, he was part of the community here. We rode him until he was broken, seemingly didn't prioritize him getting well, and then drummed him out of town at his lowest possible value... As potentially the best center we've ever drafted?

It makes no sense and is hellaciously disrespectful. Not people focused.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Goodness me. "One of the worst in league history"?
In what world would that be true?

And again, at this stage Monahan has become a UFA twice. There is little chance he'd still be here.

And BTW he's injured again.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

what their objectives were.

It is this, not the other gobdeldy#### that you are saying about where they were. Where they were was nowhere, we'd just lost our key offensive players and had very questionable depth through the lineup. It was foolish to believe they would be exactly as they were before those massive roster changes.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

It is this, not the other gobdeldy#### that you are saying about where they were. Where they were was nowhere, we'd just lost our key offensive players and had very questionable depth through the lineup. It was foolish to believe they would be exactly as they were before those massive roster changes.

And yet many people thought they would be a strong team, including on this board.

I guess this is where you tell us that those people are dumb.
OK.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Goodness me. "One of the worst in league history"?
In what world would that be true?

And again, at this stage Monahan has become a UFA twice. There is little chance he'd still be here.

And BTW he's injured again.

14 games less played than our players and would be our top point producing forward. And likely our best defensive forward too.