The Tariff Thread

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

You know that opening thew Canadian market to US dairy would decimate our industry, right? Sometimes things cost more because it is better for our society as a whole.

Oh, so you support the Trump tariffs.

Funny how that works.

And for the record it won't, because nobody is saying we should give 100% access. We would only need to open up the market 25% to allow for more competition in order to lower prices for all Canadians. And we can still keep our regulations.

[indes]

Originally Posted by Azure

Does that matter?

And I'm not saying we should lower the tariff on American cheese. The tariff applies to every country as far as I understand because its designed to protect our very corrupt and very powerful dairy industry.

We could theoretically maintain our regulations around dairy products, and lower tariffs. This would prevent importers from flooding the market with the so called 'unhealthy' stuff.

But then again, why not let the consumer choose? We have our food standards, yes, but the tariffs are just driving up prices for all Canadians, and the only people winning are the dairy cartels.

Which I suppose is the Canadian way!

Here's a pretty good video on the milk industry. I don't think it's a perfect system by any means, but I think its a necessary one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_higpy0Q9M

It's really no different than the US putting tariffs on our lumber and steel to remain competitive. Wanting completely free trade would be like wanting unfettered capitalism, there would be one winner and a ton of losers. In the case of milk, there's no way we could compete with a less regulated market, much larger market and would end up completely reliant on the US for all dairy production. As we can see, relying completely on the US is not a good idea.

Isn't this what we're also lobbying for on the oil front? The government getting their #### together so we can get our oil to market? Without them buying up TMX we wouldn't even have that.

[Fuzz]

No, I don't support Trump breaking agreements he made and declaring economic war not heir closest trading partner. That's not how you deal with issues, unless you are a toddler.


So you only want to sell out 25% of out industry? Cool.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by indes

Here's a pretty good video on the milk industry. I don't think it's a perfect system by any means, but I think its a necessary one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_higpy0Q9M

It's really no different than the US putting tariffs on our lumber and steel to remain competitive. Wanting completely free trade would be like wanting unfettered capitalism, there would be one winner and a ton of losers. In the case of milk, there's no way we could compete with a less regulated market, much larger market and would end up completely reliant on the US for all dairy production. As we can see, relying completely on the US is not a good idea.

Isn't this what we're also lobbying for on the oil front? The government getting their #### together so we can get our oil to market? Without them buying up TMX we wouldn't even have that.

I'm sorry, does the US apply 400% tariffs to our lumber and steel? I must have missed that.

So your comparison is not valid.

I have no issue with protecting our food industry. But you are naive if you think that is still the primary purpose of the supply management system.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

No, I don't support Trump breaking agreements he made and declaring economic war not heir closest trading partner. That's not how you deal with issues, unless you are a toddler.


So you only want to sell out 25% of out industry? Cool.

Oh, so you're saying you think Trump placing tariffs on Canadian steel & aluminum is a good thing, similar to the 400% tariffs we apply to American dairy products.

Both of which are being applied to protect each countries 'industry.'

Must be a struggle for you to wrap your ahead around that. lol.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Azure

Oh, so you're saying you think Trump placing tariffs on Canadian steel & aluminum is a good thing, similar to the 400% tariffs we apply to American dairy products.

Both of which are being applied to protect each countries 'industry.'

Must be a struggle for you to wrap your ahead around that. lol.

Maybe try not to ignore what I wrote. Work on your reading comprehension and try again tomorrow.

[PepsiFree]

I’m not sure why the Trump tariffs are being brought up as a comparison, considering the main issue Canadians have with those tariffs are the blanket nature and breaking trade agreements.

Let’s not act like tariffs themselves are some unspeakable taboo.

[Bonded]

I hated supply management until Trump reminded me that free trade is not a given. American farmers also get huge subsides so it isn’t exactly a fair competition to begin with.

https://www.ewg.org/news-insights/ne...secutive-years

[Johnny Makarov]

I don't know. Is $6.50 for 4 litres of milk really crazy expensive?

In Hong Kong it's $9cdn for 1 litre and in Japan it was around $10cdn for 1 litre.

[CroFlames]

The dairy industry operates like a cartel on both sides of the border. Both governments subsidize and protect said cartels.

I've seen with my own eyes mass amounts of milk being dumped into pits (on the US side) to keep dairy prices as high as possible.

I would rather the free market controlled that industry and let the chips fall where they may.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

I don't know. Is $6.50 for 4 litres of milk really crazy expensive?

In Hong Kong it's $9cdn for 1 litre and in Japan it was around $10cdn for 1 litre.

At Walmart you can get a gallon of Dairyland for $5.60 CAD and a 400g block of Great Value cheddar for $6.97.

At Walmart in LA, you can get a gallon of Great Value for $3.97 USD and a 16oz block of Great Value cheddar for $4.22.

$3.97 USD is $5.67 CAD.
$4.22 USD is $6.03 CAD.

Not a big deal.

[Drak]

Just my opinion, but American milk doesn’t taste good. Americans milk = no good.

[calumniate]

Are LA prices expensive? Lol. Went down a rabbit hole and apparently if you want to buy some cheap milk, go to cincinnati

[Locke]

Originally Posted by calumniate

Are LA prices expensive? Lol. Went down a rabbit hole and apparently if you want to buy some cheap milk, go to cincinnati

That'll create some problems of it's own...but it's the only way!

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by calumniate

Are LA prices expensive? Lol. Went down a rabbit hole and apparently if you want to buy some cheap milk, go to cincinnati

How much is it there? Like I said. $6.50 for a gallon of milk is not expensive.

[Bill Bumface]

There are very valid reasons to ensure you have enough food production to support your own population, and the pandemic was a great reminder.

There is also a cost to this type of stance, so you have to decide if you want to be completely isolationist and make everything yourself (and suffer an overall lower standard of living) or not.

[calumniate]

IMO the only reason Trump wants tarrifs is so he can pillage the general fund that these tariffs go into. Going to be the biggest financial fraud ever seen! Well done trump

[calumniate]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

How much is it there? Like I said. $6.50 for a gallon of milk is not expensive.

I dunno i just went to this stupid website:
https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-livin...d=8&region=021

80 cents a litre for WKRP

[Locke]

Originally Posted by calumniate

I dunno i just went to this stupid website:
https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-livin...d=8&region=021

80 cents a litre for WKRP

Isn't that the Radio Station that dropped Turkeys on people?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by calumniate

Are LA prices expensive? Lol. Went down a rabbit hole and apparently if you want to buy some cheap milk, go to cincinnati

Maybe. I should probably note that I had to look all of this up because I don’t eat/drink dairy lol.

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

There are very valid reasons to ensure you have enough food production to support your own population, and the pandemic was a great reminder.

There is also a cost to this type of stance, so you have to decide if you want to be completely isolationist and make everything yourself (and suffer an overall lower standard of living) or not.

There are some benefits and drawbacks. Look at the egg situation in the US right now. Canada is nearly entirely shielded from it, and the way egg production works here means a similar event to what the US is experiencing is extremely unlikely.