American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

My view on it as an expat that lives in the states is "better hope not" cause if the US actually does decide to kick off WWIII and violently overtakes Canada that's gonna be curtains for everybody.

Unless everyone just rolls over and lets it happen, which is entirely possible.

There is nothing anyone can do and nowhere on this continent you can go.

What do you mean by this? Because I'm pretty sure if you go to Thunder Bay, you won't die. There's no real reason, even in a military invasion scenario, for any real resources to be devoted to attacking these places. Montreal, Toronto, Calgary, maybe. Depends if we go Ukraine mode, or as noted above, just shrug and capitulate.

It is very weird to be typing this stuff.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by activeStick

I saw some of the clips of the recently released unedited interview of Harris. Boy, her answers to some very basic and frankly soft ball questions were ridiculously bad lol. I've been saying this for a while to people, but what the hell happened to her? I still remember how articulate she was as a Senator, taking people down in congressional hearings, but ever since she became VP, she just rambles on and on whenever she's asked a question.

Also a little shocking just how much they edited out of her interview.

I was no fan of Harris because she always came across as an 'Empty Suit' but man...she was BY FAR the lesser evil.

I've said this about many leaders in the past, but sometimes you dont need generational, sweeping change! Sometimes what you need is a calm, steady Steward at the wheel who will, at least, 'Do No Harm.' Or as little harm as possible until somebody really good becomes available.

And I think she'd have been good in a role like that.

[Codes]

Prepare for the worst outcome, but hope for the best.

That is the mindset every single one of us should have right now.

All bets are off.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Kybosh

Trump: "I want to literally annex Canada."

Too many people: "He doesn't actually want to annex Canada."

What the hell is happening?!

Coping mechanism. People would rather believe the worst could never happen than even taking a passive approach to some sort of preparation.

I’m not saying it’s a sure thing or even a likely thing. I have to believe cooler heads would prevail. But anyone who is shrugging their shoulders as the US does a little sabre rattling in their direction is being wilfully idiotic.

Better to chat with your loved ones and have a plan you’ll never need than never bother to take the idea seriously in the first place. I get most Canadians alive today have no point of reference for this kind of thing, but when a foreign nations and the most powerful military in the world starts making threats in your direction, idle or not, maybe get your head out of your ass and pay attention.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Drak

My wife is American. I’m now giving her dirty looks on passing.

You've already been Annexed. Get him! Get the traitor!!

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Kybosh

Trump: "I want to literally annex Canada."

Too many people: "He doesn't actually want to annex Canada."

What the hell is happening?!

I wonder if it boils down to people distrusting politicians so much that they just assume it's a lie, like everything else they say, rather than looking at their history and actions around the words they say. They are the worlds greatest liars, but also brutally honest in their goals. And now that they don't even need to be coy or lie to get what they want, they may actually become more honest.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

5. Our country’s survival depends on very quickly establishing the sale of our resources to global partners.

I'm old enough to remember when Canada and the U.S. started talking about the bilateral Canada-U.S Free Trade Agreement, which of course was quickly replaced by NAFTA. At least I am old enough to remember what the adults were talking about at the time, and my parents were politically active, therefore it was talked about a lot within my proximity. During that time, it dominated the news and there was a lot of contention about the pros and cons of getting in too deep with the U.S. It was something that Reagan had initiated and Mulroney, being a Reagan lap dog, bought in completely.

I remember specific talking points from critics at the time saying that we would be selling out to the Americans, it would make us too reliant on their market, we would lose industrial capacity, Canadian businesses would be bought my American interests, more prone to American whims, and so on. It took 35 years to play out, but it seems like a lot of critics were right at the time. Critics back then warned that we should diversify and not put all our apples in one basket, but it was just too easy and tempting for politicians. And to be fair, it wasn't just Mulroney. Every subsequent government has no issue milking that teat and did nothing to change anything.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I wonder if it boils down to people distrusting politicians so much that they just assume it's a lie, like everything else they say, rather than looking at their history and actions around the words they say. They are the worlds greatest liars, but also brutally honest in their goals. And now that they don't even need to be coy or lie to get what they want, they may actually become more honest.

I think it's a little of what you say and also a bit of what Pepsi said above, that people are thinking that this extreme scenario could never happen. I think it's also a little special with Trump too in that the guy talks a lot of ####, says things will happen when history has shown that they don't, so it's reasonable in a lot of ways to take his bluster for bs.

A lot would need to happen for the US to annex Canada. Trump would need to get total and complete buy-in from every gate keeper in their government for it to get to that stage, not to mention buy-in from the leaders of their military. The international community would need to be completely silent too while this is all happening.

The one way I could see this maybe happening is with a US-style color revolution setup by the CIA in Canada using the same playbook they've used in many other countries. Foment discontent of the Canadian government and leadership within a good portion of the citizens, plant puppets within that segment to promote American "democracy" and instigate protests and threats of revolutions and create a situation that is chaotic enough and destablizing enough where the "beacon of freedom and democracy" will need to enter the conflict and intervene, eventually ending with a US hand-picked leader to take over to put in place US-friendly and US-centric policies.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

My honest guess is that the US will continue to use economic power to force Canada into a worse and worse situation. Basically a prolonged recession. Politically, Canada will follow the US with more right winged, regressive social policies. A continued erosion of our social programs, and especially our heath care system. They'll use economic threats to force our government to make policies that benefit the US more than Canada and generally just erode our sovereignty bit by bit.

That may be their plan, but I don't think there's enough pro-regressive, right-winged nutjubs laying dormant up here to create the same situation as we've seen south of us. America has a much larger Trump-prone population (we'll put it nicely). That same crowd north of the border made their showing during the latter stages of COVID and while they were loud, they were a minority. Unfortunately we have a much larger concentration in this province, but even some of them have made a heel turn after the threats on Canada.

I still think Trump makes too many enemies at home in this 4 year term as they learn the hard way the reality of what they voted for (the economic war will hurt both ways), and his administration will take enough blame that he'll be gone, one way or another.

4 years won't be enough to transform this country into what the US has become. I think it will enliven a sense of patriotism and solidarity in people here that's been absent for years.

I see us more likely to band together and push to create long term solutions economically so that we don't land in this same position of vulnerability.

I think you're catastrophizing a bit and I don't blame you. There is a lot of uncertainty.

[Drak]

Wow. I live in Victoria and some idiot down the street is now flying a Trump flag. Same house had multiple Canadian flags flying but I guess since we’re coming together and uniting under the flag it doesn’t play anymore. Same house also seems to have the cops there a fair bit.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Unless everyone just rolls over and lets it happen, which is entirely possible.

It is entirely impossible. Even Russia and China would back us because it's a chance to squash the biggest market and power on the planet. Trump would never ever try to take Canada by force and his generals would never even act on it anyhow. That would be the end of Trump.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by activeStick

I think it's a little of what you say and also a bit of what Pepsi said above, that people are thinking that this extreme scenario could never happen. I think it's also a little special with Trump too in that the guy talks a lot of ####, says things will happen when history has shown that they don't, so it's reasonable in a lot of ways to take his bluster for bs.

A lot would need to happen for the US to annex Canada. Trump would need to get total and complete buy-in from every gate keeper in their government for it to get to that stage, not to mention buy-in from the leaders of their military. The international community would need to be completely silent too while this is all happening.

The one way I could see this maybe happening is with a US-style color revolution setup by the CIA in Canada using the same playbook they've used in many other countries. Foment discontent of the Canadian government and leadership within a good portion of the citizens, plant puppets within that segment to promote American "democracy" and instigate protests and threats of revolutions and create a situation that is chaotic enough and destablizing enough where the "beacon of freedom and democracy" will need to enter the conflict and intervene, eventually ending with a US hand-picked leader to take over to put in place US-friendly and US-centric policies.

Bah! You've been fooled sir! This was Drumpf's plan all along! Scare all the Canadians into leaving so he can just wander in and take everything he wants!

A win without a shot fired in Anger.

[direwolf]

While I don’t believe we’re actually going to be annexed anytime soon, we do need to take these threats seriously and start diversifying our economy ASAP and strengthen our trading relationships with the EU, UK, and other allies. The days of the U.S. being a reliable partner and our greatest ally are over, at least for the next few years. It’s gonna suck for a while, but I have to believe that we can find a way to get through this together and survive as a country.

[Locke]

My last receptionist was from Iowa. I've already informed the authorities as to her whereabouts for deportation.

Which is likely to make for a very awkward wedding to her Canadian boyfriend...but hey...sometimes you gotta watch the World burn.

[dino7c]

We should "King Joffrey" Trump at the G7

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by Drak

Wow. I live in Victoria and some idiot down the street is now flying a Trump flag. Same house had multiple Canadian flags flying but I guess since we’re coming together and uniting under the flag it doesn’t play anymore. Same house also seems to have the cops there a fair bit.

Is that the house on Glanford? ####, man.. I have so many urges to knock on their door and punch them in the mouth.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Drak

Wow. I live in Victoria and some idiot down the street is now flying a Trump flag. Same house had multiple Canadian flags flying but I guess since we’re coming together and uniting under the flag it doesn’t play anymore. Same house also seems to have the cops there a fair bit.

So, you're saying the plants are in place already.... got it...

Originally Posted by activeStick

The one way I could see this maybe happening is with a US-style color revolution setup by the CIA in Canada using the same playbook they've used in many other countries. Foment discontent of the Canadian government and leadership within a good portion of the citizens, plant puppets within that segment to promote American "democracy" and instigate protests and threats of revolutions and create a situation that is chaotic enough and destablizing enough where the "beacon of freedom and democracy" will need to enter the conflict and intervene, eventually ending with a US hand-picked leader to take over to put in place US-friendly and US-centric policies.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

You could probably egg the place with limited repercussions.

Unfortunately that would now be quite expensive.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by direwolf

While I don’t believe we’re actually going to be annexed anytime soon, we do need to take these threats seriously and start diversifying our economy ASAP and strengthen our trading relationships with the EU, UK, and other allies. The days of the U.S. being a reliable partner and our greatest ally are over, at least for the next few years. It’s gonna suck for a while, but I have to believe that we can find a way to get through this together and survive as a country.

We can't control what comes out of Trump's mouth but maybe this is the kick in the rear end this country needs to unify and focus on taking better care of our own backyard. As long as Americans are going to keep electing volatile presidents, we just can't depend on them to be fair partners. We could be in for some tough times in the next few years but I like to focus on the positive in that we can come out of this better for it when all is said and done.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by dino7c

We should "King Joffrey" Trump at the G7

No, it would be a Franz Ferdinand situation.