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[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Are you honestly suggesting that rest doesn't matter for athletes? That three games in four nights doesn't take a toll?

Seems like you're challenging the theory of gravity with this response.

Gravity is proven to exist. 32 teams play 82 games in the exact same amount of time.

How many extra points in the standings would the Flames get if they played the same teams, hit all their required destinations, and had an ideal schedule designed by Flame fans at the expense of the other 31? The null hypothesis would be 0<x<1 for me.

[flambers]

Flames however don't have the worst travel either,

Its a huge factor in my opinion, arriving at Settle for example at 3am is not an easy transition.

A team like the Rangers, has a easy travel schedule

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Gravity is proven to exist. 32 teams play 82 games in the exact same amount of time.

How many extra points in the standings would the Flames get if they played the same teams, hit all their required destinations, and had an ideal schedule designed by Flame fans at the expense of the other 31? The null hypothesis would be 0<x<1 for me.

No one was arguing that the Flames' schedule is harder overall, over the course of the season.

The argument was that there are individual games where a team is tired and disadvantaged. It happens to every team, over 82 games (well, it happens more to western teams, but that's a different conversation). The fact that it averages out, over 82 games, does not preclude it from happening.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by flambers

Flames however don't have the worst travel either,

Its a huge factor in my opinion, arriving at Settle for example at 3am is not an easy transition.

A team like the Rangers, has a easy travel schedule

Yes, because most of the league is within 900 miles of them. We can't move Calgary, or move the Rangers to Medicine Hat. A lot of teams that have travel problems are doing quite well. Dallas (the most isolated team in the league), Las Vegas, Edmonton.

The conjecture that was made is that scheduling has a significant impact on results. So far I'm not convinced.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

No one was arguing that the Flames' schedule is harder overall, over the course of the season.

The argument was that there are individual games where a team is tired and disadvantaged. It happens to every team, over 82 games (well, it happens more to western teams, but that's a different conversation). The fact that it averages out, over 82 games, does not preclude it from happening.

Well, we just saw a game between two western teams with one day of rest apiece. One had to travel and one didn't. How did it turn out?

Perhaps one has more skill than the other?

[Shazam]

I don't any additional rest for the Flames would've moved the needle. Avs too hard.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Gravity is proven to exist. 32 teams play 82 games in the exact same amount of time.

How many extra points in the standings would the Flames get if they played the same teams, hit all their required destinations, and had an ideal schedule designed by Flame fans at the expense of the other 31? The null hypothesis would be 0<x<1 for me.

All this because someone suggested the team looked tired.

Well done!

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Well, we just saw a game between two western teams with one day of rest apiece. One had to travel and one didn't. How did it turn out?

Perhaps one has more skill than the other?

No one is arguing that either.

The Flames have played dozens of games this year against teams that are more skilled without making as many mistakes and running around as much.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

I look forward to the day when the Flames feed the Avs their lunch on a regular basis, as Colorado has in the MacKinnon era.

[mogg]

They really do look gassed; played a good first but couldn’t sustain it. Really feeling Bahl and Zary’s absence, plus whatever Backlund is playing through. Struggling against the big dogs; all-world players doing all-world things.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Bingo

No one is arguing that either.

The Flames have played dozens of games this year against teams that are more skilled without making as many mistakes and running around as much.

Agreed, and I'm here for it. I love it when the Flames play well, especially that Winnipeg/Minnesota run they had.

Originally Posted by Bingo

All this because someone suggested the team looked tired.

Well done!

It wasn't that someone suggested they looked tired. I think they came out pretty well in the first 14-15 minutes. It was suggesting that the schedule caused them to play poorly, which is unproven, and therefore silly in my opinion. And they benefited from a postponed game in Los Angeles. Gee, how tired would they be now if they had to play that one.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Agreed, and I'm here for it. I love it when the Flames play well, especially that Winnipeg/Minnesota run they had.



It wasn't that someone suggested they looked tired. I think they came out pretty well in the first 14-15 minutes. It was suggesting that the schedule caused them to play poorly, which is unproven, and therefore silly in my opinion. And they benefited from a postponed game in Los Angeles. Gee, how tired would they be now if they had to play that one.

So you don't think three games in four nights with a back to back in less than 21 hours would have an affect on any hockey team?

Flames got demolished in the first period. It was hidden by a five on three opportunity that gave them the lead and some scoring chances.

[Enoch Root]

Some of the hills you choose to die on...

"I refuse to accept that athletes are tired sometimes!"

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

MacKinnon doesn't seems to be too slowed down by the grind of the season.

Why does a whole team have 20 minutes of gas in the tank.

Maybe loss of focus and being complacent with a lead also factors into it.

Tiredness may be part of it but chalking it all up to fatigue seems too simplistic of a way to explain away poor outcomes. The same challenges affect every team in the league.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

MacKinnon doesn't seems to be too slowed down by the grind of the season.

Why does a whole team have 20 minutes of gas in the tank.

Maybe loss of focus and being complacent with a lead also factors into it.

Tiredness may be part of it but chalking it all up to fatigue seems too simplistic of a way to explain away poor outcomes. The same challenge affects every team in the league.

Yet they played a stinker with the Canucks, the previous game,

Yep, 1st road game.

Of course, Avalanche and the Leaf's are really good teams.

Flames will have a tough time against high end teams no matter the schedule etc.

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

MacKinnon doesn't seems to be too slowed down by the grind of the season.

Why does a whole team have 20 minutes of gas in the tank.

Maybe loss of focus and being complacent with a lead also factors into it.

Tiredness may be part of it but chalking it all up to fatigue seems too simplistic of a way to explain away poor outcomes. The same challenges affect every team in the league.

It's not just being tired. No one is arguing that the Flames as a whole are less talented than Colorado, particularly when MacKinnon and Makar elevate their games. However, it shouldn't be surprising that a drop in mental focus and physical execution from fatigue in a game that calls for split second reactions can't be a significant impact when a team had had a pretty rough schedule.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

I don't know, I just look at MacKinnon, Makar, McWahvid and Spearsaitl playing 25 minutes a night and consistently being game breakers for such a long season and it tells me that unless these dudes are just superhumans, even athletes are capable of a greater body of work than we think they are.

If fatigue was the overriding factor some are making it out to be, those players should be out of gas well before playoffs with how much they play.

And yet, that's not the case.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

I don't know, I just look at MacKinnon, Makar, McWahvid and Spearsaitl playing 25 minutes a night and consistently being game breakers for such a long season and it tells me that unless these dudes are just superhumans, even athletes are capable of a greater body of work than we think they are.

If fatigue was the overriding factor some are making it out to be, those players should be out of gas well before playoffs with how much they play.

And yet, that's not the case.

Wait, you're arguing that they are never tired? That they never have bad games?

Do you believe that some players play at their very best, every time they play?

[Enoch Root]

Are some people going to try and make the argument that some players (or all players for that matter) are never affected by:

lack of mental preparation
under the weather
fatigue
lack of focus
injury, not 100%

Is anybody going to try and make the argument that some people/anyone can play at their best, at peak performance, every day?

If so, why do we even have the term 'peak performance'?

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Some of the hills you choose to die on...

"I refuse to accept that athletes are tired sometimes!"

Then improve your conditioning. You get paid millions to play 6-25 minutes at the highest level. Everyone you're competing against is contending with the same thing, including the team you just played, who had to travel and had less rest than you.