Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[PepsiFree]

I get that conservatives are nervous that their populist proto-fascist leader may not have the cakewalk they imagined, but it’s super funny watching Carney come out and change or outright cancel Trudeau government policies and still have them desperately cling to the “Gerald Butts agenda” and “repackaged Trudeau” narrative. I doubt that plays with many Canadians.

Even funnier that he’s giving them many of the things they were begging for and many of the things PP promised without the populist fluff, and now they have to act like they never wanted those things in the first place.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I get that conservatives are nervous that their populist proto-fascist leader may not have the cakewalk they imagined, but it’s super funny watching Carney come out and change or outright cancel Trudeau government policies and still have them desperately cling to the “Gerald Butts agenda” and “repackaged Trudeau” narrative. I doubt that plays with many Canadians.

Even funnier that he’s giving them many of the things they were begging for and many of the things PP promised without the populist fluff, and now they have to act like they never wanted those things in the first place.

If the conservatives can drag the Liberals towards good policy, everyone wins.

It will force the conservatives to adopt even more pro market policies.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by Goriders

If you don’t like the environmental zealot angle that’s been pumped for the last 8-10 years Carney would be that on steroids. I think he’d be worse for canada than Trudeau if you think there needs to be a change in direction.

For those that see the positives in having greenpeace driving the country off a cliff he’s definitely the guy to drive that bus.

I think that ship has run its course and has lost favour with the majority of people. I can’t see Carney pulling the Liberal train wreck out of the Trudeau tire fire because of this.

Definitely smarter than the boy wonder. But he’s just a repackaged Trudeau. I think the country wants a change in direction. At least that’s the feeling I get. Especially with out neighbour about to leave us in the dust.

It would be very unwise for Canadians to vote for environmental/climate policy over economic growth policies at this point.

[Azure]

The problem is nobody trusts (for good reason) any party or person running for party leadership to actually implement any policy that they campaign on.

Why would we? We have decades worth of examples where promises were made and then just ignored once that party or leader was in power.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Azure

Look at the inter provincial trade issues. They didn't just happen all of a sudden. Its been going on for decades, and specifically was looked at in 2019, but the Liberal bootlickers only care for it now to get political points. In reality nothing will change, which is why they've offered up nothing of substance for 9 years. Just like the Harper government before then. All the reports about losing billions to the GDP, those reports also came out during the Harper years. He just didn't give a #### because he was pandering to the two provinces that are specifically creating the issue with inter provincial trade. Quebec & Ontario.

I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for a federal Conservative party to push back on provincial power and prerogatives. They want less influence at the federal level, not more.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for a federal Conservative party to push back on provincial power and prerogatives. They want less influence at the federal level, not more.

Well, except now it's an explicit platform plant to erode those interprovincial barriers. That doesn't mean they'll actually do it, I guess.

[The Yen Man]

The thing holding me back from voting for Cons is PP and the Freedumb backing. I hate the radical right agenda, and I'd hate to see what's happening in the US brought here. Plus, PP is just SO offputting. I hate everything about that man, the sound of his voice, his facial expression like his crap don't stink, or just how coniving he looks. Guy is a Richard through and through.

That being said, I do think we need a change in party. The 10+ years of Liberal leadership has just been god awful. I do like Carney though, so I'll have to see come election time if he can convince me to vote Liberal this time around.

If Freeland somehow wins though, then I'm sorry, I'm probably not voting for the same old Liberal party again. I think that party needs to be humbled in order to get their act together.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I get that conservatives are nervous that their populist proto-fascist leader may not have the cakewalk they imagined, but it’s super funny watching Carney come out and change or outright cancel Trudeau government policies and still have them desperately cling to the “Gerald Butts agenda” and “repackaged Trudeau” narrative. I doubt that plays with many Canadians.

Even funnier that he’s giving them many of the things they were begging for and many of the things PP promised without the populist fluff, and now they have to act like they never wanted those things in the first place.

It's almost as if the people calling everyone else bootlickers only ever pull their head out of the sand when they're craving their own brand of shoe leather.

[woob]

Originally Posted by Azure

And now things will change? L O L.

So who do you vote for, then? Like you say, if these issues have been prevalent across decades of government, then where does the vote go?

I mean, if you want to really switch up what we've had for decades, then logically that means you go Green Party or NDP? Or maybe PQ? I don' t think that'll go well, but it would be different than more of the same from decades past.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for a federal Conservative party to push back on provincial power and prerogatives. They want less influence at the federal level, not more.

I don't expect them to do anything. I honestly expect nothing to be done.

But I do know PP is the only one presenting policy to make a difference (even if said policy is likely not going to result in anything).

What have the Liberals done or said?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by woob

So who do you vote for, then? Like you say, if these issues have been prevalent across decades of government, then where does the vote go?

I mean, if you want to really switch up what we've had for decades, then logically that means you go Green Party or NDP? Or maybe PQ? I don' t think that'll go well, but it would be different than more of the same from decades past.

Waiting for Singh to get turfed and hopefully the NDP to elect someone who is going to fight for worker rights.

[flamesfever]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for a federal Conservative party to push back on provincial power and prerogatives. They want less influence at the federal level, not more.

True, but if they get a majority, which the polls are indicating, this is what is needed to get something done in this country.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

True, but if they get a majority, which the polls are indicating, this is what is needed to get something done in this country.

A majority isn’t going to make a difference if the CPC wants to hold true to their pillar of less federal involvement in provincial jurisdiction. And his plan to reduce provincial barriers almost exclusively involves things that are already happening.

There’s no indication he’ll push Canada any further towards “getting something done” and what he wants to do is already being done.

[dammage79]

I just had a thought about PP being Trump's Mussolini.

EDIT: for context, I winced at his proclamation that he would implement Mandatory life sentences for the Fentanyl "Kingpins".

If anybody is paying attention they know that monkeying policy off of a patently proven false Trumpism isn't going to win you and votes. Well maybe in Provost or some such small middle of nowhere town. But you already had that vote.

[Harry Lime]

In terms of asking which leader would be best foe Canada....

If there is one thing that watching Albertan politics has taught us, is that you can change the leader, but as long as the bulk of the party remains the same, you are not going to see big swings in behavior.

I actually like Carney as a leader better than PP, but until part of his message includes a purging of the cabinet, I have no faith in this not being a continuation of the norm.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

In terms of asking which leader would be best foe Canada....

If there is one thing that watching Albertan politics has taught us, is that you can change the leader, but as long as the bulk of the party remains the same, you are not going to see big swings in behavior.

I actually like Carney as a leader better than PP, but until part of his message includes a purging of the cabinet, I have no faith in this not being a continuation of the norm.

The reality is opposite the conclusion you’ve made here. The UCP under Smith is measurably worse in every way than it was with Kenney.

[#-3]

I actually think it's wild to bash Carney for flip flopping. He is running to represent Canadians not himself. He has a long history of caring about long term climate risk, and a history of supporting conservative market mechanisms to manage climate change, but he now has a better view of real world experience with that, and a very good understanding of public sentiment. If he wants to honour public sentiment he needs to move in a different direction, that would be representing the people.

I bash modern right wingers a lot, but I never complain about them flip flopping, they can change their minds all they want all i want from them is to represent the people, try to make peoples lives better, and try to improve the capacity of Canada as a state to act in the world. .

[Goriders]

Whoever gets in they better put making the country more competitive at the top of their list. I don’t think we’ll be riding on our neighbour’s coat tails for much longer.

[Mr.Coffee]

I kinda think the people are too sleepy in Canada, and our political situation not really set up very well to support the kind of monumental change this country needs. I think we are in some super big trouble and there are no easy solutions. The country is super divided, not too sure how to fix it.

And then we have America destabilizing before our eyes. I don’t think they’re going to want Canada to just start exporting vital resources that they probably view as “theirs” so to speak.

The best word to describe Canada is “complacent”.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

I kinda think the people are too sleepy in Canada, and our political situation not really set up very well to support the kind of monumental change this country needs. I think we are in some super big trouble and there are no easy solutions. The country is super divided, not too sure how to fix it.

And then we have America destabilizing before our eyes. I don’t think they’re going to want Canada to just start exporting vital resources that they probably view as “theirs” so to speak.

The best word to describe Canada is “complacent”.

Get out there and make a difference