[Signing] Canucks sign Marcus Pettersen (6 yrs, $5.5 mil AAV)

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

Probably not. But I think that it is easier to replace Miller's offensive production than it is to find a top 4 defenseman.

I bet last season ends up being the best the Canucks do with this build

[simonsays]

Originally Posted by transplant99

90 pt C's are easier to find than top 4 D? (his avg as a Canuck if i heard correctly)

Not arguing they shouldnt have traded Miller, because there was really no other option.

But to suggest he is easier to replace than a 2nd pairing D.....is pure spin.

I don't think you're wrong. But the Miller (and or Petterson) trade had to happen for some reason. Like I think there was more going on behind the scenes than the players were letting on. We've seen it with the Flames where cliques are formed, and it's not always terrible, but it sounds like the Canucks version was actually terrible.




I actually think this is pretty fair value for both the player and the team. Marcus Petterson could have gotten some better offers on the open market, but probably not by a huge amount. The Canucks got someone to settle there second pairing down so that they don't look like amateurs every night.



Overall, and years later I think they probably should have tried to hang on to Chris Tanev.

[R0taryRocket]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I bet last season ends up being the best the Canucks do with this build

That could be true but there has only been one Calgary build that made it further in the last 30 years. So comparatively- pretty good accomplishment!

[Rhett44]

I don't know alot about the player, but Seravelli and a couple others have said he is a good #5 dman.

That is a lot of money for a Pachal.

[Ped]

The advanced stats seem to indicate he's a guaranteed top-4, and play on the top pairing if needed. Whoever compares him to Pachal is not paying attention. As an UFA this summer in a poor market, he could have probably gotten more.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I don't know alot about the player, but Seravelli and a couple others have said he is a good #5 dman.

That is a lot of money for a Pachal.

Frank was off in his take, at worst he's a #3 dman. Which is where he would be slotted.

I actually think that Pesce is a good comparable, and he got 6 x $5.5M in the offseason. It's still a much better contract than the one VAN were rumored to be offering Zadorov($5M x 6) and one he eventually signed with BOS in the offseason.

[butterfly]

Yeah, this is bad for us. Good for them. I hate that team more than any other but...the only thing better would be a 4-5 year term.

Pettersson has to be stupid to accept this offer when UFA is in 4½ months.

[Erick Estrada]

If the salary cap goes up as per the reports this will be looked at as a pretty solid deal for a 2nd pairing defenseman so at least a bit of good ending note on last weeks trades for Canucks fans.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by getbak

I'm sure this will make his brothers Elias and Elias happy.

...

All Swedish people with the same last name are brothers, right? I asked Henrik and Daniel and they said they were.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

I think that Miller is a declining asset though and one who the team wasn't winning with. Their defense has been brutal and this provides them with a solid top 3 defenders. Hughes obviously is one of the best in the world, Hronek is a solid defender, and Pettersson is solid by all accounts. Having someone to push Juulson down the lineup is good. If they can have a prospect break through like Willander I think that they will be set for a couple of years and maybe be able to make a push for Hughes to re-sign.

Their offense took a definite hit though.

I mean, come on. I never heard one Nuck fan say they couldn't win with him, until he was traded.

Also, he is not yet 32 - he isn't a declining asset yet. He will be soon, in a couple years maybe, but not yet.

Pettersson is a top 4 defender, yes. And the Nucks needed one, no question. But #1 Cs are the hardest assets to acquire, and VAN just traded one for depth. They had little choice, but this is a big step backwards for the current core. It's a big stretch to try and claim otherwise.

[Cycling76er]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

https://twitter.com/user/status/1887320576068624740

I love the cold 'Agreed to terms' in place of the excited 'Signed!'.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

It's interesting how close the Miller thing was to what they did with Horvat... Horvat to Isles for Beauvilier, Raty, 1st, then trade 1st plus another pick for Hronek and re-sign him. Beauvilier was predictable mediocre, but just Horvat for Hronek has worked out OK from their perspective on that deal.

Here, it's Miller for Chytil, Mancini, 1st, trade the 1st plus 2 cap dumps for Pettersson. Pettersson isn't as good as Hronek, thus the cap dumps, and Miller was better than Horvat I guess, so you got more for him in the sense that Chytil is better than Beauvilier was.

Overall very similar moves for two good but not top tier #1Cs.

[Blaster86]

It was very much so "The Horvat."

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

It's interesting how close the Miller thing was to what they did with Horvat... Horvat to Isles for Beauvilier, Raty, 1st, then trade 1st plus another pick for Hronek and re-sign him. Beauvilier was predictable mediocre, but just Horvat for Hronek has worked out OK from their perspective on that deal.

Here, it's Miller for Chytil, Mancini, 1st, trade the 1st plus 2 cap dumps for Pettersson. Pettersson isn't as good as Hronek, thus the cap dumps, and Miller was better than Horvat I guess, so you got more for him in the sense that Chytil is better than Beauvilier was.

Overall very similar moves for two good but not top tier #1Cs.

It's crazy that they went from:

Miller
Pettersson
Horvat

to:

Pettersson
Chytil
Blueger? Raty?

Yes, their D is deeper (phrasing!), but that is a huge downgrade at C.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I mean, come on. I never heard one Nuck fan say they couldn't win with him, until he was traded.

Also, he is not yet 32 - he isn't a declining asset yet. He will be soon, in a couple years maybe, but not yet.

Pettersson is a top 4 defender, yes. And the Nucks needed one, no question. But #1 Cs are the hardest assets to acquire, and VAN just traded one for depth. They had little choice, but this is a big step backwards for the current core. It's a big stretch to try and claim otherwise.

First - they can't win with him if the locker room is in turmoil.
Second - he is going to be 32 in a month. Not old but there aren't that many players in the NHL who remain elite after the age of 30. Possible, yes. Likely. No.
Third - yes a #1 center is hard to acquire, the hope is that the Canucks still have one in Pettersson.

It is a stretch but the current core was out of a playoff spot and Miller seemed like he had worn out his welcome. Will this bite the Canucks in the ass. Probably but I think doing nothing would be a mistake as well.

[Enoch Root]

No one is debating that it had to be done. It did.

But it is also pretty plainly evident that the team is worse, as a result. Just is.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

No one is debating that it had to be done. It did.

But it is also pretty plainly evident that the team is worse, as a result. Just is.

Overall they went from:

Miller
Horvat
2024 3rd

to

Chytil
Hronek
M. Pettersson
Raty
Mancini

That hurts center depth but overall isn't terrible TBH.

The thing they probably regret most is the 1st they moved for Hronek became Axel Sandin-Pelikka.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

I guess Suter would be the third center, and he's pretty good for a 3C... Looking at their cap for next year, the comparison from this series of trades is essentially:

Out
Miller (8.0)
Heinen (2.25)
Desharnais (2.0)
Brannstrom (Can be buried; no cap impact)
------
12.25 AAV = 2F, 1D, 1 AHLer

In
Pettersson (5.5)
Chytil (4.5)
O'Connor (UFA, probably <2M)
Mancini (Can be buried; no cap impact)
------
+- 12.00 AAV = 2F, 1D, 1 AHLer

So they wind up saving a bit against the cap depending on if they re-sign O'Connor and for how much, but mostly they're reallocating 3.5M from forwards to defensemen, downgrading one position group to upgrade another. Given that their defense was woeful, that makes some sense.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

No one is debating that it had to be done. It did.

But it is also pretty plainly evident that the team is worse, as a result. Just is.

The team is worse on paper, certainly. But it is pretty clear that something that room wasn't working. If things improve, then it's addition by subtraction. And as always, cap space is always a help.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

The thing they probably regret most is the 1st they moved for Hronek became Axel Sandin-Pelikka.

I don't think ASP was the player the Canucks FO would take anyways.