2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[blankall]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Does Sharangovich count?

I'd say to be determined...if you're counting him, you have to count a guy like Kuzmenko. Both killed it last season but fell off big this season. Although Sharangovich is turning it around.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by blankall

To be fair to Edmonton that is changing a bit. As prices rise in Calgary, Edmonton has attracted a lot of young families and young people generally. The prices in Edmonton are just a little bit cheaper, so it facilitates small businesses, makes entry into the housing market easier, encourages more of a social scene, etc...

On top of that, being a member of the working class, doesn't mean what it used to, now that everybody has access to the information of the internet. Most trades people are now skilled and knowledgeable.

The major downside to Edmonton is that you can't take a day trip to good mountains for skiing. And the stabbings....the violent crime rate is much higher there, but a lot of it is isolated to a few communities.

Don't get me wrong, I still hate their hockey team, an organization that is sleazy from top to bottom.

I am not really sure what the point of this post is? I am not buying the slightly lower prices have created a boon of small business and nightlife that has somehow made Edmonton superior to Calgary? End of the day I don’t want to derail this thread so we can move the discussion to E=NG or agree that Calgary is the more desirable city (Edmonton is still a fine place to live)

[looooob]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The highest point guy actually from Calgary is Gary Unger. From Southern Alberta - Lanny.

I guess you could call Taylor Hall, Willy Nylander, Troy Murray, Mike Rogers, and Josh Morrissey stars.

Bill Gadsby and Vernon are to my knowledge the 2 Calgary born HOFers


in that 'star' grouping, Mike Green might qualify

[TheScorpion]

I wouldn't really call Sharangovich a reclamation project. He was a pretty consistent 30-40 guy in Jersey and has largely continued to be that here, shooting bender last season notwithstanding.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by blankall

One of the many reclamation projects that didn't work out in Calgary. Have any reclamation projects worked out?

Zadorov was kind of one - Flames bought low, sold high.

You can make an argument that Kipper was one. More like a hidden gem though.

[1qqaaz]

Zadorov was acquired for 3rd and traded for a 3rd + 5th.
He was solid in Calgary.

Kris Russell was acquired for a 5th round pick. He played a top 4 role for a few years, then was traded for Jyrki Jokipakka, Brett Pollock, and a conditional second round selection in the 2016 NHL Draft.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

Not saying you are wrong but having already won a Cup and a new arena coming gives many hope.

I think alot of Canadian kids dream about playing for their hometown team. How many Ontario boys end up in TO?

Its not likely but the odds aren't zero.

I think TO is a bit different. The lure is not only in the centre of the hockey universe but to be that hero that comes home and breaks the SC drought. It's the McJesus dream, wait for it.

[Sample00]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Wes Walz. Devon Setoguchi. Kris Versteeg.

Warren Sharples?


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[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I think TO is a bit different. The lure is not only in the centre of the hockey universe but to be that hero that comes home and breaks the SC drought. It's the McJesus dream, wait for it.

I really hope so, but if the Oilers offer him the max for 8 years, what can the Leafs offer for 7 years?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Has there been one? Vernon?

He was a Flame to start, and then left for more money.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

I really hope so, but if the Oilers offer him the max for 8 years, what can the Leafs offer for 7 years?

Do you really think he cares about that extra year vs the desire to play for the Leafs and possibly be the hero to bring a SC back there for the first time in almost 60 years? We have seen players leave money on the table time and again to go play in a market they desire.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

He was a Flame to start, and then left for more money.

Vernon was traded for the late Steve Chiasson, because the Flames thought Trevor Kidd was ready to take over as starting goalie. Out of all the moves they made around that time, that was probably the one least dictated by money.

[Nelson]

Warrener, Pinder, Boomer and Frank had some interesting Flames’ discussion this afternoon.

Pinder raised the point, which was reiterated in 32 Thoughts, that Conroy is not open to trading Kadri, Andersson, etc. He suggested the Flames should consider trading Kadri, in the context of a conversation about how Zary can be a centre.

Frank said he agrees with Pinder, and he suggested the Flames and Avs as potential trading partners, with the Avs trading Mittelstadt, and the Flames trading Kadri. He suggested the Flames would need to add.

Boomer implied he wasn’t certain Conroy was genuinely closed-off to trading these veterans. He implied Conroy could be saying that to up the offers, increase the Flames’ leverage.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lLWmz-TnpCo at 24:30-33:00

My thoughts are that trading Kadri plus a non-1st round draft pick, for a prospect centre, like Calum Ritchie, plus a player to balance out the dollars, is intriguing. That would allow the Flames to play Zary at centre and address the franchise’s need for prospect centres.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Nelson

Warrener, Pinder, Boomer and Frank had some interesting Flames’ discussion this afternoon.

Pinder raised the point, which was reiterated in 32 Thoughts, that Conroy is not open to trading Kadri, Andersson, etc. He suggested the Flames should consider trading Kadri, in the context of a conversation about how Zary can be a centre.

Frank said he agrees with Pinder, and he suggested the Flames and Avs as potential trading partners, with the Avs trading Mittelstadt, and the Flames trading Kadri. He suggested the Flames would need to add.

Boomer implied he wasn’t certain Conroy was genuinely closed-off to trading these veterans. He implied Conroy could be saying that to up the offers, increase the Flames’ leverage.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lLWmz-TnpCo at 24:30-33:00

My thoughts are that trading Kadri plus a non-1st round draft pick, for a prospect centre, like Calum Ritchie, plus a player to balance out the dollars, is intriguing. That would allow the Flames to play Zary at centre and address the franchise’s need for prospect centres.

Middlestadt can produce on the wing. If we are playing zary at center, acquiring middlestadt for kadri + a b prospect like poirier would be a great move.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Nelson

Warrener, Pinder, Boomer and Frank had some interesting Flames’ discussion this afternoon.

Pinder raised the point, which was reiterated in 32 Thoughts, that Conroy is not open to trading Kadri, Andersson, etc. He suggested the Flames should consider trading Kadri, in the context of a conversation about how Zary can be a centre.

Frank said he agrees with Pinder, and he suggested the Flames and Avs as potential trading partners, with the Avs trading Mittelstadt, and the Flames trading Kadri. He suggested the Flames would need to add.

Boomer implied he wasn’t certain Conroy was genuinely closed-off to trading these veterans. He implied Conroy could be saying that to up the offers, increase the Flames’ leverage.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lLWmz-TnpCo at 24:30-33:00

My thoughts are that trading Kadri plus a non-1st round draft pick, for a prospect centre, like Calum Ritchie, plus a player to balance out the dollars, is intriguing. That would allow the Flames to play Zary at centre and address the franchise’s need for prospect centres.

Yeah that trade idea was floated last week, and makes sense for everyone except Kadri. Sorry it probably won't happen.

Maybe if Flames were out of the playoff picture and he had an expiring contract that would let him help Avs with a cup run, but as it stands he'd have to move away from family for years. He wanted to sign here because of extended family. He has a Cup and I genuinely think he wants to win one here, moreso than chasing with another US team. So I don't see it.

[Bonded]

Kadri for Ritchie is still a non-starter imo. The Kadri for Middlestadt swap makes more sense as a base but I wouldn’t want the Flames to add like Seravelli says.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Yeah that trade idea was floated last week, and makes sense for everyone except Kadri. Sorry it probably won't happen.

Maybe if Flames were out of the playoff picture and he had an expiring contract that would let him help Avs with a cup run, but as it stands he'd have to move away from family for years. He wanted to sign here because of extended family. He has a Cup and I genuinely think he wants to win one here, moreso than chasing with another US team. So I don't see it.

Not only that, more of his family from Ontario moved here when he signed and bought a house. He also knows how random a Cup run is, and he got his ring. He's content. I would be shocked to see Kadri moved as anything but a short term rental at the end of his contract.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Kadri for Ritchie is still a non-starter imo. The Kadri for Middlestadt swap makes more sense as a base but I wouldn’t want the Flames to add like Seravelli says.

100%. They add, or they can pound sand - Kadri is a better player than Mittelstadt.

Yes, Mittelstadt is younger, but that isn't reason enough to give them Kadri and add to it - the Flames are better off keeping Kadri. I don't think Mittelstadt + Ritchie is ever going to happen, but Mittelstadt + 2nd maybe?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

100%. They add, or they can pound sand - Kadri is a better player than Mittelstadt.

Yes, Mittelstadt is younger, but that isn't reason enough to give them Kadri and add to it - the Flames are better off keeping Kadri. I don't think Mittelstadt + Ritchie is ever going to happen, but Mittelstadt + 2nd maybe?

I’d actually be fine with a straight swap given ages etc but a small add on Middlestadt would be nice.

[Calgary4LIfe]

A Kadri - Mittlestadt swap puts both organizations on a better timeline. Kadri is better than MIttlestadt, and fills a need they have, and his age is 'win now' for them.


Flames are a great story this year, but they aren't exactly 'win now'. Mittlestadt is only 26, but I would bet that he is what he is at this point in time, as he has been given a lot of opportunity in two different organizations now. He fits the timeline for the Flames a lot better than Kadri.


Straight-up I think Colorado wins. Colorado adding a first seems like too much. Maybe they add a B prospect or a 2nd.


As for Kadri moving - he liked his time in Colorado. He may like it here, but I wouldn't be so certain that he wouldn't agree to a move elsewhere dependent on where it may be. A cup contender that he enjoyed playing with in the past and won a cup with in Colorado? His hometown team in Toronto? Somewhere else that he would like to play? All we know is that he likes it here. It doesn't mean he wouldn't like someplace else more, especially if that came with a chance to win another cup. He may or may not agree given an opportunity.


On the podcast, Warrener made another good point.

"Kipper covered a lot of warts on the team over the years, and it never came close to winning after '04. There weren't enough stars."


While I believe that the Flames are really good at drafting, and have a higher chance at finding a star later in the draft than most other teams, it certainly isn't a given that they will. Warrener's statement (which is not verbatim, but was essentially his point) does remind us that there are risks of going down this path (assuming no top end picks are made during this build).



Seravelli stated that this is a slow build, and that Conroy will then sign a star or two on the UFA market. While I believe the new arena will move the needle, along with what I believe is a GM that knows how to treat players well (like picking up Frost and Farabee), I am not sure it will move the needle enough. Calgary couldn't sway Richards by offering the most money and having Iginla and Tanguay try to convince him.



Anyway, it will be interesting to see how this build unfolds as time goes by. I think with the addition of Frost and Farabee, it signals to me that it is unlikely that Calgary is going to dip down to the bottom 5 at any point in the near future. I think their biggest weakness on the roster overall was the large gap between the older forwards and forwards that were too young - older forwards that will decline quickly in premium positions, and young forwards that won't enter their prime soon enough to replace them. Now it is an injection of two further ~25 year olds, which along with Wolf, Weegar, and an Andersson re-signing, plus the overall depth, is probably enough from keeping them at the bottom in the next couple of seasons.


It is going to be an interesting build, that's for sure. I am sure that Conroy is not going to be giving draft picks away, that's for sure. Flames have to find difference makers in the draft, and the more bullets they have, the better chance they will find them without bottoming-out.