The Tariff Thread

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Azure

He can't use the bank thing as an excuse for the emergency action. So he has to combine in the drug issue when it comes to Canada. With Mexico its very different.

I mean most Canadians would probably be glad if we opened up our industries to more competition. Canada is very protectionist. Telecom, grocery section especially.

But at this point Canadians need to not give a ####. Buy Canadian no matter what happens.

Canada should actually do what they’ve committed to with NATO. That’s a tap in win on this. Spend the 2%. Not sure what the hold up is on that. Will cost Canada WAY less and who knows maybe it could actually come in handy.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

The issue is with blanket reversals of those protectionist policies that happen too quickly a ton of people lose jobs. If the goal is increased free trade / access to the Canadian market, the terms of that can obviously be negotiated. If you impose tariffs first and try to negotiate you've not only created a situation where the political will to make a deal with you among those on the other side of the table, who need votes in a few months, is nil; you've also practically hamstrung them because the hurt you've put on them economically makes them less flexible and less able to adapt to the changes you're demanding.

Yup.

This is the point of trade agreements and working together.

The tariffs accomplish nothing in actually building long-term relationships. And you have to think Canadians will make it hurt for the US where they can because of all this even if the tariffs are gone today.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Azure

Yup.

This is the point of trade agreements and working together.

The tariffs accomplish nothing in actually building long-term relationships. And you have to think Canadians will make it hurt for the US where they can because of all this even if the tariffs are gone today.

We have a trade agreement, it was negotiated with Trump. He's breaching it.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Canada should actually do what they’ve committed to with NATO. That’s a tap in win on this. Spend the 2%. Not sure what the hold up is on that. Will cost Canada WAY less and who knows maybe it could actually come in handy.

Yeah but even there, spending up to 2% takes time.

We should 100%, but we can't just go write a cheque. We basically have to revamp years of terrible management when it comes to defense spending.

And likely it means working closer together with the US, our most important NATO partner and NORAD partner.

The whole thing is dumb as a pile of rocks, but then again Canada has sat on its ass on many of these things for decades really.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

We have a trade agreement, it was negotiated with Trump. He's breaching it.

100%.

Funny enough, trade agreements won't stop Canadians from diverting $250 million per month in spending on American alcohol products into Canadian or other country products.

[Engine09]

I had 2 trips to the US planned this year, not feeling so good about that now so I cancelled 1 of them. Sent an email to the Seattle Mariners explaining why and asking for a refund, will see what they say.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Trudeau and Trump already spoke. The border isn’t the real issue with Canada so I am not holding my breath

Well, they're slated to speak again at 1 pm, so we can hold out some hope for a couple of hours.

Originally Posted by GioforPM

We have a trade agreement, it was negotiated with Trump. He's breaching it.

Well, he declared the emergency so he could use IEEPA to say that this wasn't a breach and that it was allowable. It's questionable whether IEEPA applies here, but that was how he rammed this through.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Slava

Well, they're slated to speak again at 1 pm, so we can hold out some hope for a couple of hours.



Well, he declared the emergency so he could use IEEPA to say that this wasn't a breach and that it was allowable. It's questionable whether IEEPA applies here, but that was how he rammed this through.

The best one can hope for is that Trump comes out and pretends that the border steps that Canada already took are something he just gained, and then declares victory and does the same as he just did with Mexico.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The best one can hope for is that Trump comes out and pretends that the border steps that Canada already took are something he just gained, and then declares victory and does the same as he just did with Mexico.

We'll send 10,001 troops to the border. The Freedumbers will shoot any non-white person crossing into Canada.

[Kipperriffic]

A conversation about banks should be 100% out of the question during his second call. Its a matter of sovereignty. Trump is trying some new angle here and I think Trudeau should stand firm and directly say dollar for dollar tariff. Treat this scumbag the way he is meant to be treated.

And no, Canada should refuse to send additional force at the border because it is already secure. Sending more shows Trump that he was somehow correct.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

We'll send 10,001 troops to the border. The Freedumbers will shoot any non-white person crossing into Canada.

Show them a picture of Coutts "truckers" from a couple years ago and say we've stepped it up.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Show them a picture of Coutts "truckers" from a couple years ago and say we've stepped it up.

We don't even need to photoshop the maga hats and confederate flags into the pictures..

[Locke]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Show them a picture of Coutts "truckers" from a couple years ago and say we've stepped it up.

No way man! Take a photo of one dude with a rifle in a lawn chair sipping a Molson!

"That there is 'Border Security' ain't nobody gettin' past ol' Scruffy!"

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

It’s about making Canada the 51st state. Pretty obvious. Everything else is nonsense.

I think that this is an alarmist position.
I certainly think that economic imperialism is the long game, but it makes no sense for the USA to take on the administrative Burdon.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Kipperriffic

A conversation about banks should be 100% out of the question during his second call. Its a matter of sovereignty. Trump is trying some new angle here and I think Trudeau should stand firm and directly say dollar for dollar tariff. Treat this scumbag the way he is meant to be treated.

And no, Canada should refuse to send additional force at the border because it is already secure. Sending more shows Trump that he was somehow correct.

US banks already operate in Canada though.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I think that this is an alarmist position.
I certainly think that economic imperialism is the long game, but it makes no sense for the USA to take on the administrative Burdon.

I think he's just trying to get Canadians riled up.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I think that this is an alarmist position.
I certainly think that economic imperialism is the long game, but it makes no sense for the USA to take on the administrative Burdon.

Is it? He's telegraphed this from the start, and very plainly stated that we should become a state.

Maybe when people say exactly what they are wanting we should listen.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Locke

I think he's just trying to get Canadians riled up.

TBF you also thought tariffs were a bluff and how’s that turned out so far?

[Kipperriffic]

Originally Posted by Slava

US banks already operate in Canada though.

Trump wants them to operate without regulation. Just like him and his incompetent team is going around doing it in their own country. Cutting regulation from so many industries, especially Tech, as been THE main reason all these billionaires are swarming around him right now. They know its the only chance they'll get.

edit: and the heavy restrictions on foreign banks make sense because it protects Canadian banks, hence the confidence of Canadians in their financial institutions

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Slava

US banks already operate in Canada though.

And so does the Bank of China.