The Tariff Thread

[BowRiverBruinsRule]

Originally Posted by BagoPucks

This could finally unite Canada and get our #### together. We have screwing the pooch on a bunch of problems and now we are going to solve them. It's a good opportunity to take a good look in the mirror. Or we won't and we will show the rest of the world we are as useless everyone thinks we are.

This is what I thinking as well.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

That's an optimistic viewpoint. I'm a bit less positive... I feel like all those Ukrainian refugees we've taken in over the past few years are thinking, "Oh, FFS, not this again."

[Captain Otto]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

Very classy. Nothing classier than making fun of a guy in a wheelchair.

Like you're the arbiter of class on this board.

Go back under the bridge. No one wants to hear what you have say.

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[DiracSpike]

Originally Posted by Slava

Gateway was literally never happening though. There were 200 conditions to even get it approved, and that was under Harper. Then you had a pile of FN challenges that were preparing to run that to the Supreme Court. I understand that people hate Trudeau and want to pin this all on Justin being anti oil, but that’s the reality of the situation.

It’s like people are already discounting how much opposition there was (and added expense, trials and tribulations) get TMX built. That was a freaking expansion along an existing path, where it was far more cut and dried. Just building Gateway or other major projects is fraught with difficulties and challenges.

And…not saying this is you, but conflating this trade way with “we need new markets” as a solution is just hilarious to me. I agree we do. But, we’ll just go ahead and set that up literally tomorrow to avert the tariff impact starting Tuesday?

No one is saying these projects aren't challenging, especially now with the Trudeau's government's new laws, specifically C69. This is the problem though, it's clearly too difficult to get things that need to get built, built. So the government needs to change the laws, streamline the process, do what needs to be done. This passive "oh well, too hard, whaddya gonna do" has been plaguing this country for too long and people are still doing it! Insane. No one would accept this kind of paralysis for other initiatives that need to get done, if there was a quagmire of laws and rules and consultations to get sewer lines and water treatment plants built no one would be sat around shrugging their shoulders and saying "guess we just have to put up with sewage flowing through our streets forever, the laws man, the courts, it's too challenging. Oh well"

And yeah, you're right, there's no solution to our pipeline problem by tuesday. Correct. The funny part about decades long abstaining from solving problems is that there's no instant fix, that's why you think ahead and do it before it becomes an emergency. Aren't you a financial planner if I remember correctly? If some 50 year old comes to you and says they're screwed because they haven't been saving for retirement are you in a position to offer them an instant fix? No?. I'd imagine you'd tell them (because you're good at your job) that they need to start saving and cutting costs today. How does that help them right now, in this moment? IT DOESN'T. NOTHING CAN HELP YOU INSTANTLY BECAUSE THAT'S NOT HOW THIS WORKS. But if you start now you can be a 70 year old with *some* savings instead of walking in with the exact same problem year over year over year and never actually doing anything about it.

This isn't the only aspect of this trade war but it is AN aspect, and something that needs to get addressed immediately. Before another decade goes by and I have to read people saying that a pipeline won't help us by tuesday.

[Reggie Dunlop]

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[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

This is the problem though, it's clearly too difficult to get things that need to get built, built. So the government needs to change the laws, streamline the process, do what needs to be done.

This is true, and has been true for much longer than Trudeau. The Liberals are on the hook for not fixing this on their watch and making it worse in some aspects for sure. But let's get the partisan blinders off. Infrastructure of national scale has not been something we've been successful at since .... the bloody railroads? (Which we went and privatized leading to American interests gaining influence there as well).

[TherapyforGlencross]

Very funny to read that post. Yeah, let’s just go #### ourselves in the corner, lose 500,000 jobs in Ontario alone, have automotive industries close up shop in a week, but of course, let’s be as amicable as possible to a Governor while he ####s and abuses us while we’re down. Give me a break.

Friendly reminder: we didn’t ask for any of this. We’ve attempted to ALREADY be amicable and friendly with our 2018 new trade deal with Trump, which he heralded as the best trade ever. Our government attempted conversation with Trump but he hasn’t answered his phone since the inauguration. So, kept in the dark, he claims “there’s nothing we can do” to stop these tariffs.

So, while trying to be a diplomatic country, it appears that it isn’t working. So, you best have the understanding for someone calling out the bull#### that is. He just happens to be in a wheelchair. So be it.

edit: I’ve seen your posts in the american thread, you said it yourself, you’re not a patriotic canadian and couldn’t care less about this. You said it yourself, prepare the annexation talks. At this point, your opinion now carries no weight. Are you a psyop campaign? Because you clearly hate everyone in this board with the opinions you have.

[MegaErtz]

Originally Posted by TherapyforGlencross

Very funny to read that post. Yeah, let’s just go #### ourselves in the corner, lose 500,000 jobs in Ontario alone, have automotive industries close up shop in a week, but of course, let’s be as amicable as possible to a Governor while he ####s and abuses us while we’re down. Give me a break.

Friendly reminder: we didn’t ask for any of this. We’ve attempted to ALREADY be amicable and friendly with our 2018 new trade deal with Trump, which he heralded as the best trade ever. Our government attempted conversation with Trump but he hasn’t answered his phone since the inauguration. So, kept in the dark, he claims “there’s nothing we can do” to stop these tariffs.

So, while trying to be a diplomatic country, it appears that it isn’t working. So, you best have the understanding for someone calling out the bull#### that is. He just happens to be in a wheelchair. So be it.

edit: I’ve seen your posts in the american thread, you said it yourself, you’re not a patriotic canadian and couldn’t care less about this. You said it yourself, prepare the annexation talks. At this point, your opinion now carries no weight. Are you a psyop campaign?

Canada had nothing to do with the negotiations in 2018 with the USMCA. If you recall, or care to go back to research, Canada were not permitted into the negotiating talks, despite repeatedly trying to gain access. Instead, Trump negotiated directly with Mexico, then Canada were instructed where to sign. The terms were dictated to us. If that isn't weakness, what is? No wonder Trump is stomping all over us now.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

This is true, and has been true for much longer than Trudeau. The Liberals are on the hook for not fixing this on their watch and making it worse in some aspects for sure. But let's get the partisan blinders off. Infrastructure of national scale has not been something we've been successful at since .... the bloody railroads? (Which we went and privatized leading to American interests gaining influence there as well).

Agreed. It’s not really a political thing or a partisan thing. But we can all just agree that whoever the #### is in charge needs to fix this so stuff can get done, no?

[TherapyforGlencross]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

Canada had nothing to do with the negotiations in 2018 with the USMCA. If you recall, or care to go back to research, Canada were not permitted into the negotiating talks, despite repeatedly trying to gain access. Instead, Trump negotiated directly with Mexico, then Canada were instructed where to sign. The terms were dictated to us. If that isn't weakness, what is? No wonder Trump is stomping all over us now.

This is blatantly false. The trade agreement was in two different steps, negotiations separately with mexico and then separate with canada. Countless times in the media claimed Lighthizer was extremely frustrated with Freeland and her negotiating tactics. But hey, it worked out, because Canada actually fared better than the original NAFTA deal.

Why lie? Are you a pysop campaign, paid for by the Americans?

[DiracSpike]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

This is true, and has been true for much longer than Trudeau. The Liberals are on the hook for not fixing this on their watch and making it worse in some aspects for sure. But let's get the partisan blinders off. Infrastructure of national scale has not been something we've been successful at since .... the bloody railroads? (Which we went and privatized leading to American interests gaining influence there as well).

I try to be fair and call balls and strikes...obviously I'm biased as is everyone. I did though give Trudeau props, multiple times, on this board for buying TMX and building it. I wrote his office a letter saying the same. His comments last night on not dividing the country further was great. The NDP and the moron leading them are much much worse on this issue than Trudeau. There have been significant misses and unforced errors on Trudeau on this file though, specific to him as he took over in 2015 right as four separate coastal pipelines were trying to be completed.

But yeah you're right there's a deeper issue. Canadians are not good at infrastructure on a national scale, and that's a problem that will manifest itself repeatedly. The citizenry of this country for some reason have decided that it's icky to build stuff, to expand ports, to move forward. We've been coasting on post war infrastructure for way too long and it needs to change. Aren't we all happy with TMX? Isn't it awesome? It was like pulling teeth, even on a calgary based board to get people to come around on that and now we can sell at least some volumes to anybody, it's incredible. We need more though.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Agreed. It’s not really a political thing or a partisan thing. But we can all just agree that whoever the #### is in charge needs to fix this so stuff can get done, no?

I think some people are less interested in a fix and more interested in using this as a partisan rewriting of history so that they can say “I told you so” from some imaginary high horse, tbh.

I’m wondering if a short term fix wouldn’t be pursuing O’Toole’s CANZUK idea (but without the US obviously) and opening up trade/removing duties and other obstructions to trade with commonwealth nations and the EU.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by TherapyforGlencross

This is blatantly false. The trade agreement was in two different steps, negotiations separately with mexico and then separate with canada. Countless times in the media claimed Lighthizer was extremely frustrated with Freeland and her negotiating tactics. But hey, it worked out, because Canada actually fared better than the original NAFTA deal.

Why lie? Are you a pysop campaign, paid for by the Americans?

The final agreement was decided by US and Mexico, that part is true. Canada eventually signed on.

But that ignores the entire 12-18 months of negotiation preceding it, which Canada was heavily involved in.

[Sylvanfan]

Canada does have some pretty challening geography, so almost by default, it is much easier to send goods South as our North/South routes are much easier to move things. But in the long term, it has resulting in complacency and now a somewhat high dependency on the U.S. I'd like to say that had the Country been able to develop other methods to move our more valuable commodities to ports that can export to other countries that Trump would not be imposing these Tariffs. But that would give him too much credit because he never will know or care to know what's going on outside of his own demented mind.

Not much point whining about the past, need to focus on what can we do to better secure our future.

[MegaErtz]

Trudeau refused to allow the US dairy industry access to Canada. That was the extent of our "negotiations."

Why should we suffer in Alberta so rich dairy farmers in Quebec can live high on the hog? Cheese is three times the price in Canada than it is in the USA, and the quality of the Canadian product is much poorer.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

Very classy. Nothing classier than making fun of a guy in a wheelchair.

His inability to walk doesn't make him less of an as-shole, Greg Abbott is a racist bigot and white supremacist, I hope he hits a deep pothole in that chair.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

Trudeau refused to allow the US dairy industry access to Canada. That was the extent of our "negotiations."

Why should we suffer in Alberta so rich dairy farmers in Quebec can live high on the hog? Cheese is three times the price in Canada than it is in the USA, and the quality of the Canadian product is much poorer.

Now more than ever we need to be divided as provinces.

[tony-soprano]

Colombia might as well join the trend and refuse the deportees again. I wonder when Trump will follow through on his suggestion to double the tariffs if Canada or Mexico retaliate.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

But yeah you're right there's a deeper issue.

It seems we've lost the societal notion that there needs to be self sacrifice for overall progress.

Whether it's building a pipeline, a highway, a refinery, a power plant, or some simple row houses - everyone has an expectation they can oppose anything that impacts them personally in a negative fashion, and have the projects be beholden to their interests.

It's become "getting #### done, only if absolutely everyone agrees" and it's been codified into our laws.

[Calgary]

Hard to believe Donny is even real life. Cutthroat fella. It’s good he’s cleaning the streets. I’m not nearly as panicked as the rest of this forum seems to be. Will the markets be bleeding? We’ll see who’s feeling the pain three months from now, if any.