Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Locke

I'm not going to defend either side here and I dont really know much about Carney but...when it comes to finances I'm skeptical about Resumes.



13 years with a Bank that is only not bankrupt because the US Government saved it.



'Steered Canada' through a Financial Crisis that...he was working for an Investment Bank that was a fairly large cause of that crisis in the first place, maybe he had a bit of an inside track and was just playing for the other team.



Being on boards of financial and economic bodies is dubious, some are active and important and others are rubber-stampers, hard to judge which he was.



Again, I know very little about him overall, but just looking at it one could also say...."Where Mark Carney goes...there tends to be a crisis."

Firstly, I'm making no assessment of his political ability or ability to lead a nation or even a party. Maybe he's awesome at that. I don't know enough.

And if the resume is McDonald's manager, sure you can discount it. But if you're going to state that someone with that resume doesn't understand the economy, you are surely wrong

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Locke

Yeah, I should do my own research! Do the research!

As opposed to just reading the dudes Resume and sucking it back.

Then do it. You'll learn that crisis didn't follow him - he's been brought in to help deal with crisis.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Poilievre’s camp have to be panicking atm. Their populist base is strongly associated with Trumpism, and now their hero is threatening to invade Canada. The CPC need to disassociate themselves from MAGA, but many of their supporters live and breathe in the MAGA information ecosystem.

This is the kind of providential bombshell that can sharply change the course of an election.

Absolutely. This election is now fully about Trump and the threat from the U.S. Poilievre needs to move sharply to the centre if he wants any chance of becoming PM at this point. This trade war has changed everything.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

I'm a Liberal, and have always voted Liberal, NDP, or Green. No government should be able to avoid being taken down by a trick like prorogation. Harper set a dangerous precedent and now we are reaping the rewards of such a flawed system.

It is obvious that the Liberals no long have the support of the people. They're not the legitimately elected government when they no longer have the support of the House. Trump has seized on such a fatal flaw in our electoral system, designed back when election results took weeks to count and the world moved at a much slower pace.

Hardly.

Chretien did the same thing in 02 because he didnt want the investigation of the sponsorship scandal to become public.

He then quit later and the Liberals became a minority because of it.

Sounds familiar.

Proroguation (sp?) goes back 150 years though...almost as old as the country itself.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Experts aren't always right and sometimes you gotta test things out. That is why the scientific process involves testing and experiments and iteration.

Do you think tariffs are some new thing that haven't been tested out before? That economic experts are just hypothesizing and not basing their statements on past events?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Do you think tariffs are some new thing that haven't been tested out before? That economic experts are just hypothesizing and not basing their statements on past events?

"Don't trust the experts" is the surest red flag someone has lost all connection to reality, and their arguments are based on nothing but ideology.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Locke

Have you seen whats been happening in England? Their PM is a revolving door, they're exiting Europe and their currency has been rapidly devaluing.

Yeah...bunch of geniuses that group.

Instead of beating around the bush just come out and say you are a PP lemming supporter. lol

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Poilievre’s camp have to be panicking atm. Their populist base is strongly associated with Trumpism, and now their hero is threatening to invade Canada. The CPC need to disassociate themselves from MAGA, but many of their supporters live and breathe in the MAGA information ecosystem.

This is the kind of providential bombshell that can sharply change the course of an election.

The yappy dog looked totally defeated in his presser this morning. What do you think would happen when you tie yourself to rightwing pieces of kyit?

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

I'm a Liberal, and have always voted Liberal, NDP, or Green. No government should be able to avoid being taken down by a trick like prorogation. Harper set a dangerous precedent and now we are reaping the rewards of such a flawed system.

It is obvious that the Liberals no long have the support of the people. They're not the legitimately elected government when they no longer have the support of the House. Trump has seized on such a fatal flaw in our electoral system, designed back when election results took weeks to count and the world moved at a much slower pace.

This bullkyit is worse than what Trump force feeds to his base! hahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahhahaha

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

This bullkyit is worse than what Trump force feeds to his base! hahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahhahaha

lol reminds me of the white guy who was caught pretending to be a black gay man on twitter

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Locke

Yeah, I should do my own research! Do the research!

As opposed to just reading the dudes Resume and sucking it back.

Yeah, you probably should. Usually “do your own research” is used to tell people not to trust the experts, in this case, it’s being used to tell someone to form a basic understanding of a person before making an embarrassingly ignorant conclusion about them, and then doubling down on that when people educate that someone.

I mean, you didn’t even bother to read the resume. You didn’t even do the basics. So I’m not sure what you’re being condescending about when nobody made you look ignorant but you.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

"Don't trust the experts" is the surest red flag someone has lost all connection to reality, and their arguments are based on nothing but ideology.

I guess that means left leaning partisans should listen to the people in the oil patch?

And yes, I know you used to work in it (or do? Not sure).

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Poilievre’s camp have to be panicking atm. Their populist base is strongly associated with Trumpism, and now their hero is threatening to invade Canada. The CPC need to disassociate themselves from MAGA, but many of their supporters live and breathe in the MAGA information ecosystem.

This is the kind of providential bombshell that can sharply change the course of an election.

He doesn't even have the Trumpian "Carbon Tax Carney!" name he tried using last week anymore.

[Mr.Coffee]

I think Poilievre misplayed things politically. If he moved centrist last summer he’d be fine. Instead he pandered to his base, things changed, and now he’s in trouble.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Do you think tariffs are some new thing that haven't been tested out before? That economic experts are just hypothesizing and not basing their statements on past events?

lol tariffs are literally been there done that. Blanket tariffs are especially dumb. This is like testing out nukes again to see if they are bad.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by Locke

I'm not going to defend either side here and I dont really know much about Carney but...when it comes to finances I'm skeptical about Resumes.

13 years with a Bank that is only not bankrupt because the US Government saved it.

'Steered Canada' through a Financial Crisis that...he was working for an Investment Bank that was a fairly large cause of that crisis in the first place, maybe he had a bit of an inside track and was just playing for the other team.

Being on boards of financial and economic bodies is dubious, some are active and important and others are rubber-stampers, hard to judge which he was.

Again, I know very little about him overall, but just looking at it one could also say...."Where Mark Carney goes...there tends to be a crisis."

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Maybe you should just learn something about him?

“I don’t know much about him but if you disregard or discount his experience, education, and performance any old conjecture about him could be true” is just a terrible, nonsensical take.

Originally Posted by Locke

Yeah, I should do my own research! Do the research!

As opposed to just reading the dudes Resume and sucking it back.

I know you have a post count to reach but you probably could look into his resume just a minute before doing one of your oft-hilarious rant-bits. Now I won't pretend to know exactly what Carney did at Goldman Sachs but I don't think "South Africa's post-apartheid venture into international bond markets, and was involved in Goldman's work with the 1998 Russian financial crisis" was covered in The Big Short. Mark Carney had left Goldman five years prior to 2008 as well. So, there's that.

Canada not only survived but thrived after the 2008 financial crisis and Mark Carney has done nothing but be praised for his role in that effort. You've somehow turned him into the villain of that story with some crazy childish conspiracy. When Governor of the Bank of England Carney heavily advised against Brexit and said it could lead to a recession. He was right about that too.

just looking at it one could also say...."Where Mark Carney goes...there tends to be a crisis."

Do you have any idea how dumb this sounds?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

I guess that means left leaning partisans should listen to the people in the oil patch?

And yes, I know you used to work in it (or do? Not sure).

Listen to people in the oil patch about what? Where to find oil and how to drill for it? Of course. They are experts at that. How much of the environment we should ignore when getting it? Probably not. I'd find an expert in the environment for that info.

[puffnstuff]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

I think Poilievre misplayed things politically. If he moved centrist last summer he’d be fine. Instead he pandered to his base, things changed, and now he’s in trouble.

All the folks assuming pp is capable of changing who he really is, well it astounds me.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

I think Poilievre misplayed things politically. If he moved centrist last summer he’d be fine. Instead he pandered to his base, things changed, and now he’s in trouble.

Not like this hasn’t happened twice in a row before or anything… it’ll work sometime I’m sure.

[madmike]

Originally Posted by direwolf

Absolutely. This election is now fully about Trump and the threat from the U.S. Poilievre needs to move sharply to the centre if he wants any chance of becoming PM at this point. This trade war has changed everything.

I still think he can get a minority given the baggage the Libs have. But it’s surprising the Cons didn’t seem prepared for the current situation at all. It was no secret the tariffs might be coming. If Poilievre isn’t willing to take a strong stance against Trump then he could be in trouble.