The Tariff Thread

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Can't wait to see how PP squirms in the next few months. He's an empty suit, following the winds of discontent and saying whatever he thinks his followers want to hear. But now Canada is almost completely united in hating Trump and the US, the only smart play as a politician is to follow suit and stand strong against American arrogance. Yet PP has no spine, he can't disparage Trump for fear of pissing off the vilest 20% of his base that are Trump supporters. I suspect his only play will be to try and blame Trudeau for the whole thing, when he's not spewing complete word salad

Don't forget his new bro relationship with Musk. A vote for PP is a vote for MAGA.

[afc wimbledon]

The threat is poverty and I've been poor, I won't say I like it but it aint the end of the world, Ukrainians are giving up way more to defend their country

If it's beans and spam for the foreseeable future so be it, small price for me to pay for the honour of being adopted by Canada

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Another reason to do it then. Sure it'll suck in the short term, but Canadians are just as anal about gas prices as Americans are. Tell the hippies in BC that their gas prices jumped up $1/liter because we can't refine our own crude and I bet the opposition to building more refineries drastically reduces

Sure, but refining capacity isn't just going to happen overnight in Canada or in a month or in a year. They'll just tell everyone to get electric vehicles and problem solved.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

The threat is poverty and I've been poor, I won't say I like it but it aint the end of the world, Ukrainians are giving up way more to defend their country

If it's beans and spam for the foreseeable future so be it, small price for me to pay for the honour of being adopted by Canada

Time to start buying a ton of Dollarama call options!

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Sure, but refining capacity isn't just going to happen overnight in Canada or in a month or in a year.

Neither is any of the other crap that Trump peddles on why tariffs are a good idea.

[CaptainCrunch]

If you've got the spare cash looking at the Canadian side of the Tariffs, it would be a good idea to stockpile your winter fruits and vegetables in the next few days.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

If you've got the spare cash looking at the Canadian side of the Tariffs, it would be a good idea to stockpile your winter fruits and vegetables in the next few days.

Pulses as well, dried kidney beans etc

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

If you've got the spare cash looking at the Canadian side of the Tariffs, it would be a good idea to stockpile your winter fruits and vegetables in the next few days.

Unless you are buying frozen stuff thats prob not a good idea.

Don't we get alot of our produce from Mexico anyways?

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Yes, what's the TP of this crisis?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Yes, what's the TP of this crisis?

Bourbon

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Unless you are buying frozen stuff thats prob not a good idea.

Don't we get alot of our produce from Mexico anyways?

And that's fair, I do buy a lot of frozen since I'm a lazy cook. But I do buy a lot of things like fresh tomatoes and garlic and can sauces, and I do can some fresh fruits when I find a really good deal.



We get a lot of fruit and vegetable produce out of California and out of Florida. the majority of our lettuce, tomatoes and unions come out of the States, Avocados out of South America.






I found this tool from UBC a while ago, but its pretty good at showing where out imported veggies come from


https://canadafoodflows.ca/DataPortal/

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

Will they though? I'm thinking most UAW workers are looking at plant expansions /retools and a lot of overtime in the near future. American automotive manufacturers won't be permitted to take advantage of cheap labour across the border in Ontario anymore.

You're assuming that investors are keen to pour billions of dollars into manufacturing capacity that is only viable with 25% tariffs.

Everyone knows Trump will be out of office in 4 years, or sooner if he drops dead, and a lame duck within 2 years. Unless they're absolutely convinced that extreme trade measures will continue with the next administration, companies aren't going to want to spend massive amounts of money on expansion.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

And that's fair, I do buy a lot of frozen since I'm a lazy cook. But I do buy a lot of things like fresh tomatoes and garlic and can sauces, and I do can some fresh fruits when I find a really good deal.



We get a lot of fruit and vegetable produce out of California and out of Florida. the majority of our lettuce, tomatoes and unions come out of the States, Avocados out of South America.






I found this tool from UBC a while ago, but its pretty good at showing where out imported veggies come from


https://canadafoodflows.ca/DataPortal/

I've been buying the hydroponic lettuce grown in Calgary and it is pretty good and not too expensive. I won't be surprised if their prices increase soon with higher demand.

Also, I'm pretty ignorant on how fruits and veggies actually get to Canada from Mexico. Does a lot of it get shipped by rail and truck or is it cargo ships? If it is ground transport what is the risk that the trade routes between Canada and Mexico get shutdown?

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by opendoor

You're assuming that investors are keen to pour billions of dollars into manufacturing capacity that is only viable with 25% tariffs.

Everyone knows Trump will be out of office in 4 years, or sooner if he drops dead, and a lame duck within 2 years. Unless they're absolutely convinced that extreme trade measures will continue with the next administration, companies aren't going to want to spend massive amounts of money on expansion.

There should be a new CP rule. Anytime a person posts about why Canada can’t do this or that or nothing will work and we have to just live with our d*cks in our hands, you also have to provide an alternate solution or idea that will actually better our situation instead of just explaining why nothing works ever.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

I've been buying the hydroponic lettuce grown in Calgary and it is pretty good and not too expensive. I won't be surprised if their prices increase soon with higher demand.

Can I ask where you get it, I'm weird with Lettuce, because I'm a single guy, and buying a bunch of it doesn't make sense.



I've found that I shop at Safeways by my place, the produce quality is ok, Its pretty bad at the walmart, Coop is good but expensive.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by opendoor

You're assuming that investors are keen to pour billions of dollars into manufacturing capacity that is only viable with 25% tariffs.

Everyone knows Trump will be out of office in 4 years, or sooner if he drops dead, and a lame duck within 2 years. Unless they're absolutely convinced that extreme trade measures will continue with the next administration, companies aren't going to want to spend massive amounts of money on expansion.

Don't be so sure

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

I've been buying the hydroponic lettuce grown in Calgary and it is pretty good and not too expensive. I won't be surprised if their prices increase soon with higher demand.

Also, I'm pretty ignorant on how fruits and veggies actually get to Canada from Mexico. Does a lot of it get shipped by rail and truck or is it cargo ships? If it is ground transport what is the risk that the trade routes between Canada and Mexico get shutdown?

I think most of it comes by Rail and sea container.



Could the American's shut down shipments, I think that it would be a question of is it worth the effort. And frankly from a international perspective putting punitive tariffs are one thing. Suddenly stopping food shipments to Canada would be a whole other ugly thing. It would be equivalent to putting a navy blockade around a country and starving them into submission.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

There should be a new CP rule. Anytime a person posts about why Canada can’t do this or that or nothing will work and we have to just live with our d*cks in our hands, you also have to provide an alternate solution or idea that will actually better our situation instead of just explaining why nothing works ever.

I mean, sure. But neither I or the poster I was responding to were talking about Canada. We were talking about the US expanding their manufacturing capacity as a result of these tariffs. They seem to take it for granted that that will happen, while I'm more skeptical. I question whether companies are going to invest billions of dollars in US production capacity that isn't viable without the 25% tariffs. Trump has a pretty short shelf life, and beyond that he's very unpredictable and could remove the tariffs on a whim. Why would a company significantly invest in expanding their US production and increasing their costs in light of that unpredictability?

[Slanter]

Originally Posted by opendoor

You're assuming that investors are keen to pour billions of dollars into manufacturing capacity that is only viable with 25% tariffs.

Everyone knows Trump will be out of office in 4 years, or sooner if he drops dead, and a lame duck within 2 years. Unless they're absolutely convinced that extreme trade measures will continue with the next administration, companies aren't going to want to spend massive amounts of money on expansion.

You're assuming if he doesn't drop dead that he'll leave the office in 4 years. I would actually be surprised if he didn't test that.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by opendoor

I mean, sure. But neither I or the poster I was responding to were talking about Canada. We were talking about the US expanding their manufacturing capacity as a result of these tariffs. They seem to take it for granted that that will happen, while I'm more skeptical. I question whether companies are going to invest billions of dollars in US production capacity that isn't viable without the 25% tariffs. Trump has a pretty short shelf life, and beyond that he's very unpredictable and could remove the tariffs on a whim. Why would a company significantly invest in expanding their US production and increasing their costs in light of that unpredictability?

Sorry my mistake. Thought you guys were talking about setting up refining capacity in Canada.