The Tariff Thread

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by RogerWilco

The Canadian government would implement Tariffs only on items that are luxuries that can be easily replaced. Like we can drink local whiskey rather than a bourbon that comes from a red state, ect. This isn't a false sense of power, this strategy has worked in the past. Here is the thing, Americans seem to think they are immune to everything until they find out. Its a pattern.

I don't necessarily disagree, but there is a reason why people are buying that whiskey - they prefer it to the local one.

The government limiting people's choices doesn't benefit anybody, and that ideology just isn't cool to me.

[Looch City]

If someone just killed Trump right now, this whole situation would be solved

[BigThief]

Gonna log into another account to thank that one

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Small technicality, that was for annoying not ####tiest poster.

Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good!

[RogerWilco]

Originally Posted by butterfly

I don't necessarily disagree, but there is a reason why people are buying that whiskey - they prefer it to the local one.

The government limiting people's choices doesn't benefit anybody, and that ideology just isn't cool to me.

I think I'm OK drinking Pendleton Whiskey rather than Basil Hayden for a while. The American tariffs will cause loss to Canadian exports, not just higher prices in the US. Canadian Tariffs need to be targeted in a way that will help create even more noise in the administrations ear.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Sure, happy to oblige. I think the Canadian government has a duty to do the best thing for Canadian citizens, which is to not harm them. If I were them I would do nothing.

Trump doing this to our three biggest trade partners simply hurts American consumers. Why would you want to raise prices for your own consumers? It's senseless and leads to an inefficient allocation of resources. Chinese, Mexicans, and Canadians can bring unique goods and services to market at a better price than Americans can, and they're all things that we desire. Trump is lying when he claims "we don't need them", because if we could get these things for cheaper we would already be doing it.

So if they're happy to trade with us, why not do it? It really should have nothing to do with the government as it's obvious interference between parties willing to trade.

If I were Canada I certainly would not want to increase prices on my own consumers in an attempt to demonstrate some false sense of strength.

I just want to say I’m a million percent against this. This is ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Leondros

It’s certainly not zero…

I guess nothing is zero, but it’s an astoundingly low probability.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by RogerWilco

I think I'm OK drinking Pendleton Whiskey rather than Basil Hayden for a while. The American tariffs will cause loss to Canadian exports, not just higher prices in the US. Canadian Tariffs need to be targeted in a way that will help create even more noise in the administrations ear.

Well that's cool but I think the choice between the two should be up to you.

Trump just jacked up the price of Pendleton Whiskey 25%+profit margin for us (if that is a Canadian brand). I'm not sure why you'd want prices raised over there too.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Slava

I just want to say I’m a million percent against this. This is ridiculous.

What would you propose?

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by Slava

I just want to say I’m a million percent against this. This is ridiculous.

I agree. It's one thing to negotiate in good faith to address underlying issues and potentially make some deep concessions in the name of economic stability and mutual interests to avoid tariffs... its another thing when tariffs are actually imposed.

I hate the idea of a trade war, but the line has been drawn and Canada absolutely has to respond at this stage.

[Bunk]

Originally Posted by chummer

Trump says if we retaliate he will raise the tariffs, Jesus Christ.

Canada will retaliate. Might as well go scorched earth, hopefully along side actual allies in Mexico, the EU (and maybe align with China as they are targeted to) and skip a few steps. Either have them back off or invade.

What an absurd spectacle.

Fentanyl - 43 lbs out of 21,900 lbs seized at borders was from Canada. Definition of a red herring. His motivations are anything but border security. It is replacing other forms of tax with tariffs and trying to increase domestic production. Beyond that it is territorial expansion. There is no negotiation, there is no appeasing.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by RogerWilco

The Canadian government would implement Tariffs only on items that are luxuries that can be easily replaced. Like we can drink local whiskey rather than a bourbon that comes from a red state, ect. This isn't a false sense of power, this strategy has worked in the past. Here is the thing, Americans seem to think they are immune to everything until they find out. Its a pattern.

Doug Ford has mentioned the LCBO no longer importing American products if it came to it, they're globally one of the bigger alcohol purchasers.

Originally Posted by butterfly

I don't necessarily disagree, but there is a reason why people are buying that whiskey - they prefer it to the local one.

The government limiting people's choices doesn't benefit anybody, and that ideology just isn't cool to me.

Yeah well, buckle up buckeroo. We're dealing with a hostile trade partner, limiting choices suck but sitting back and taking it isn't "cool to me" either.

[Bunk]

Originally Posted by BigThief

Doug Ford has mentioned the LCBO no longer importing American products if it came to it, they're globally one of the bigger alcohol purchasers.

Feckless Trump bootlicker Smith won’t even do that low hanging fruit. Weak.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by BigThief

Yeah well, buckle up buckeroo. We're dealing with a hostile trade partner, limiting choices suck but sitting back and taking it isn't "cool to me" either.

Then are you planning to tariff yourself into prosperity? That seems to be the definition of 2025 Trumpism.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Then are you planning to tariff yourself into prosperity? That seems to be the definition of 2025 Trumpism.

me - Stop importing booze from a hostile country
butterly - "derp"

[FlameyMcFlameFace]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Sure, happy to oblige. I think the Canadian government has a duty to do the best thing for Canadian citizens, which is to not harm them. If I were them I would do nothing.

Trump doing this to our three biggest trade partners simply hurts American consumers. Why would you want to raise prices for your own consumers? It's senseless and leads to an inefficient allocation of resources. Chinese, Mexicans, and Canadians can bring unique goods and services to market at a better price than Americans can, and they're all things that we desire. Trump is lying when he claims "we don't need them", because if we could get these things for cheaper we would already be doing it.

So if they're happy to trade with us, why not do it? It really should have nothing to do with the government as it's obvious interference between parties willing to trade.

If I were Canada I certainly would not want to increase prices on my own consumers in an attempt to demonstrate some false sense of strength.

Thank you for taking the time to answer that. It's always interesting hearing different perspectives, and in fact that did allow me to think of it in a different light.

This just seems like we are caught between a rock and a hard place.

[Acey]

Originally Posted by Drak

Neither will family members south of the border who support this and voted for it. I’m done with them.

My family is the opposite of yours, most are American and a lot moved from TX to a blue area in a northern state after zero response to the Uvalde shooting. They are disgusted by the actions of Trump.

There are some good Americans out there still, as increasingly difficult as that is to believe.

[Drak]

Originally Posted by Acey

My family is the opposite of yours, most are American and a lot moved from TX to a blue area in a northern state after zero response to the Uvalde shooting. They are disgusted by the actions of Trump.

There are some good Americans out there still, as increasingly difficult as that is to believe.

Oh yeah for sure. Lots of good people there. I’m just unlucky.

[WideReceiver]

Originally Posted by Looch City

If someone just killed Trump right now, this whole situation would be solved

I’m not so sure. Vance takes over and he could be more dangerous, plus the rot runs deep.

[AltaGuy]

If Canada doesn't very aggressively push back, Trump will be asking for more concessions next week, next month, and next year. He's a bully. You cannot appease bullies. We learned that in World War 2 hopefully.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by butterfly

What would you propose?

100% retaliation. This is annexation under the guise of border security, purely because he thinks that makes it legitimate under the USMCA. We’ve heard over and over that you don’t need our oil, lumber and other goods (no idea how you have a trade deficit in that case?), so we should fight fire with fire.

This is absolutely hostile and Canada cannot just sit back and appease the US.