[Trade] Frost + Farabee from PHI to CGY for Pelletier + Kuzmenko + 25 2nd + 28 7th

[Jay Random]

This looks to me like a situation where you don't really have set lines. Huska has shown no hesitation about promoting and demoting players between lines based on who is and isn't performing from game to game. I think it's reasonably likely that the centres do wind up being Kadri, Frost, Zary, and Backlund for the most part, with 4th-line duty going to whoever is doing poorly at the moment.

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

Why is everyone so adverse to putting Backs at 4C and roling 4 lines?

The issue all season has been our 4th line and now we have the option to not play Rooney, a career AHLer or a winger in Pospisil there.

Teams that roll 4 lines basically have the disparity in ice time be made up for by special teams. Backs will be still be our top PK forward and get 5 on 5 mins.

Replacing Rooney and Duehr with Backlund and Klapka may be just what we need to truely roll 4 lines.

If we had a tonne of C prospects in the pipeline and/or Backs and Kadri weren't 35ish I wouldn't be as adamant about this. Zary was just starting to find his way as a C before injury.

I want to see Stromgren.

Huberdeau - Kadri - Farabee
Stromgren - Frost - Coronato
Sharangovich - Zary - Pospisil
Lomberg - Backlund - Coleman
Rooney
(Bishop and Klapka sent down)

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

This team is nowhere near deep enough to roll 4 lines. They likely are not splitting up Backlund and Coleman so I would rephrase your question to “why would anyone want to play Frost or Zary on the 4th line?”

Why wouldnt it be?
Kadri and huby are a thing now.
Backs and coleman? Given.
Zary and Farabee?
Frost and Sharky?

Good center with at least one scoring winger on each line with Backs doing the heavy lifting in our end.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Fan69

Why wouldnt it be?
Kadri and huby are a thing now.
Backs and coleman? Given.
Zary and Farabee?
Frost and Sharky?

Good center with at least one scoring winger on each line with Backs doing the heavy lifting in our end.

Outside of Coronato there is a weak winger there and the way Sharangovich has played it appears Frost is who you would like to be the 4th line of this group?

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

Why is everyone so adverse to putting Backs at 4C and roling 4 lines?

The issue all season has been our 4th line and now we have the option to not play Rooney, a career AHLer or a winger in Pospisil there.

Teams that roll 4 lines basically have the disparity in ice time be made up for by special teams. Backs will be still be our top PK forward and get 5 on 5 mins.

Replacing Rooney and Duehr with Backlund and Klapka may be just what we need to truely roll 4 lines.

If we had a tonne of C prospects in the pipeline and/or Backs and Kadri weren't 35ish I wouldn't be as adamant about this. Zary was just starting to find his way as a C before injury.

Are there current or recent teams that have adopted this strategy successfully?

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by D as in David

Are there current or recent teams that have adopted this strategy successfully?

Vegas and Dallas

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by D as in David

Are there current or recent teams that have adopted this strategy successfully?

Vegas (before they acquired Eichel and Stone)

Dallas.

Carolina.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Outside of Coronato there is a weak winger there and the way Sharangovich has played it appears Frost is who you would like to be the 4th line of this group?

so this is where you get surprised at how good frost is and how senseless it is for a team with scoring woes to continue to give second line icetime to the center who cant provide it?

Farabee has scored more than 20 twice he is just entering scoring prime. Sharkbait is struggling to return from injury but should be a 30 goal guy. Frost has maintained 40 plus points on limited ice and a coach who doesnt like him also now entering his prime.

Backs and coleman have been but shouldnt be our mainstays for offense.

Plain and simple frost is going to be a massive upgrade on Backs i just dont think a lot of people realize it or want to accept it. Nothing from backs highlight package has the type of skill frost has.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Fan69

so this is where you get surprised at how good frost is and how senseless it is for a team with scoring woes to continue to give second line icetime to the center who cant provide it?

Farabee has scored more than 20 twice he is just entering scoring prime. Sharkbait is struggling to return from injury but should be a 30 goal guy. Frost has maintained 40 plus points on limited ice and a coach who doesnt like him also now entering his prime.

Backs and coleman have been but shouldnt be our mainstays for offense.

Plain and simple frost is going to be a massive upgrade on Backs i just dont think a lot of people realize it or want to accept it. Nothing from backs highlight package has the type of skill frost has.

It makes no sense why you are minimizing Backlund and Coleman just to keep Pospisil in the top 9 and Zary in the middle. Coleman has been one of the better offensive players on the team. Pospisil is a fine 4th liner to me. I would rather run the Lomberg-Pospisil-Klapka line like a 4th line and give the top 9 more minutes and offensive punch.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Fan69

But that is the whole point though. Kadri is number one. Frost is younger, scores more, better skater, is sound defensively no reason to think he wouldnt be a better backlund snd pull some more of the second unit powerplay at the very least. Frost is going to surprise people and it will cut into backs ice time especially if his line gels and plays well.

Having Zary show very well as a center as an organization short on centers it should be a priority to keep giving a promising young center more ice time again that will affect Backs.

All of these assumptions of Backs on the fourth line seem to be making an assumption that the replacement couldnt possibly be better?

Backlund's line is the 10th best forward line in play driving of any line that has been together 250 minutes.

It's an elite line when it comes to puck management and shut down.

You don't break that up.

And you don't send it's QB to the fourth line.

He'll lose a step or two by the time his contract is over, and will likely finish on the fourth line but it's not going to happen in February of 2025.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

Why is everyone so adverse to putting Backs at 4C and roling 4 lines?

The issue all season has been our 4th line and now we have the option to not play Rooney, a career AHLer or a winger in Pospisil there.

Teams that roll 4 lines basically have the disparity in ice time be made up for by special teams. Backs will be still be our top PK forward and get 5 on 5 mins.

Replacing Rooney and Duehr with Backlund and Klapka may be just what we need to truely roll 4 lines.

If we had a tonne of C prospects in the pipeline and/or Backs and Kadri weren't 35ish I wouldn't be as adamant about this. Zary was just starting to find his way as a C before injury.

If they can find a way to play 5 on 5 hockey for 60 minutes it works! (tongue in cheek)

Otherwise there aren't enough minutes available to keep your best players fed, and the fourth line up to enough minutes.

[FBI]

When do we play Philly next?

[getoverit]

March 4th

Originally Posted by FBI

When do we play Philly next?

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by Bingo

If they can find a way to play 5 on 5 hockey for 60 minutes it works! (tongue in cheek)

Otherwise there aren't enough minutes available to keep your best players fed, and the fourth line up to enough minutes.

Its not that I necessarily disagree, it's just I really want to continue to see Zary developed at C.

Maybe it's smart to ease him back in at W and see how things develop.

As you know, our C prospect pool is non-existent so there is a method to our madness on this just as there is to you and the others rebuttals.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

As you know, our C prospect pool is non-existent so there is a method to our madness on this just as there is to you and the others rebuttals.

that's what happens when you draft 3 centers in the first two rounds in 10 years. 8 first round picks and 10 second round picks in total, and they've just completely ignored the position ... they took one in the first round (Zary), and the less that's said about the two second rounders (Dube, Ronni) the better.

If the next couple of drafts are not C heavy at the top, I'll pull my hair out. 5 of our past 8 first rounders were wingers ... that is not a winning recipe. You build from the middle.

[transplant99]

Cant draft for position though...you have to just take the BPA.

Good players will get you other good players if the need arises, but you cant just grab a guy because he is a C and leave a better player on the board.

[AC]

Jonathan Huberdeau, today, on his pal Jakob Pelletier and Thursday’s trade: “We hung out after the game. We went for a couple drinks. Obviously he’s a pretty emotional guy and I think it showed. He cares. He loved playing here, so that kind of hurt him.”

“After the first period, he gave me a big hug and he was, like, bawling. That just got me. I’m an emotional guy, too. It was tough to get out there and try to play after that.”


From Wes Gilbertson.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Misa is still a longshot to make the NHL.

And even if he does, he isn't going to be any kind of impact player for at least 3 or 4 more years.

Kadri and Backlund will both be gone before Misa is a top 9 C for the Flames (if he ever is)

Just because he went in the 5th does not make him a long shot for the NHL. Many pro scouts think his skill set translates well. I also said I believe the Flames will add another RS C before the start of next year.

[Calgary]

Originally Posted by AC

Jonathan Huberdeau, today, on his pal Jakob Pelletier and Thursday’s trade: “We hung out after the game. We went for a couple drinks. Obviously he’s a pretty emotional guy and I think it showed. He cares. He loved playing here, so that kind of hurt him.”

“After the first period, he gave me a big hug and he was, like, bawling. That just got me. I’m an emotional guy, too. It was tough to get out there and try to play after that.”


From Wes Gilbertson.

Awww it hurt him. Bawling? Spoiled brat.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Cant draft for position though...you have to just take the BPA.

Good players will get you other good players if the need arises, but you cant just grab a guy because he is a C and leave a better player on the board.

But that's how you end up with no Cs, because they are valued higher and go faster. So you either reach a bit for a C, or you end up with a constant stream of wingers.

You have to prioritize Cs, or you're always going to be lagging, like the Flames have always been.