The Tariff Thread

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Can someone explain what the end goal for these Tarrifs is?

Personally I think it is to have Canada "be the 51st State". People think it's wild but Trump has given us plenty of history to see how ####ing crazy he is and he definitely wants his legacy one to be "monumental" and taking over Canada - would be that.

[OldSam]

So we just give in? I sure don't want that. Don doesn't think they need any of out products. Maybe one of his lackeys can explain just what they will lose. And if he continues to spew garbage, so be it. And try to get other trade behind the scenes.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Personally I think it is to have Canada "be the 51st State". People think it's wild but Trump has given us plenty of history to see how ####ing crazy he is and he definitely wants his legacy one to be "monumental" and taking over Canada - would be that.

Gross. I don't want to kill any Americans.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Can someone explain what the end goal for these Tarrifs is?

If you go on Trumps word that could be one of a few things. At first it was to destabilize the economy and annex Canada, but now he is claiming that Canada is the access point for the fentanyl trade in the cities and won’t lift the tariffs until the crisis goes away.

What’s important here is that you can’t trust anything he says. And to his statement of “if they retaliate we will increase tariffs” means we need a swift and aggressive response. What can’t the US produce domestically that they need from us? There’s 4 main things, crude oil, potash, water, and electricity. Export tariff the hell out of those and threaten to join BRICS.

The worst thing to do is back down to a bully.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

But Trump is not the leader of Canada or government of Canada. Trump is not the one that prevented Canada from giving itself options to diversify its economy if we ever end up in a situation like this one.

Well it's more about shooting the options we already have in the foot. This country would build an east-west pipeline across this entire country if we weren't such wussies. That's beyond the issue today however.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Gross. I don't want to kill any Americans.

there will be no violence. They will crush us economically til the majority of people acquiesce and agree to join them for the relief.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

there will be no violence. They will crush us economically til the majority of people acquiesce and agree to join them for the relief.

Can there be some violence?

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

Some MS Paint lines on a map does not a project proposal make. Who rejected what, exactly?

Spoiler!

sometimes things don't get started when you know there's no point.

[FlameyMcFlameFace]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

People can blame Trump. It makes sense, him and his team are the ones doing this.

But Trump is not the leader of Canada or government of Canada. Trump is not the one that prevented Canada from giving itself options to diversify its economy if we ever end up in a situation like this one.

Canadians need a serious look in the mirror on this one and the result should be, hopefully, a course correction in how our geopolitical strategies inform how we design and build our economy.

Hence my last post here, I will admit I don't have much oil/gas experience or knowledge. But agree with this, in any business why wouldn't you want to open up and sell your goods to other markets? it doesn't make sense to me.

I also just found out we hardly do any interprovincial trading!? How are we not trading with our provinces? What are we doing??? This has really opened my eyes. I will admit, I was just a ignorant millennial to all this. But this is crazy we are so reliant on the USA.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

there will be no violence. They will crush us economically til the majority of people acquiesce and agree to join them for the relief.

I don't care if i was fighting alone. I would die before becoming american.

[CFO]

Canada should never have been in such a weak situation to begin with. The provincial fighting, federal directions and minority group/aboriginal fight back on national energy projects over the last 10 years has put Canada in a very vulnerable situation.

[Mr.Coffee]

First Nations in this country should be begging for projects to come along. Those cheques they've been clipping the last few years are going to get a LOT skinnier.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

People can blame Trump. It makes sense, him and his team are the ones doing this.

But Trump is not the leader of Canada or government of Canada. Trump is not the one that prevented Canada from giving itself options to diversify its economy if we ever end up in a situation like this one.

Canadians need a serious look in the mirror on this one and the result should be, hopefully, a course correction in how our geopolitical strategies inform how we design and build our economy.

Totally agree with our own failures to strengthen our economy. But I don't think anyone could have imagined unjustified economic hostility from our (former?) closest trading partner and ally. Let's not lose sight of the fact that Trump is the aggressor, and has no legitimate reason to be.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Igottago

Totally agree with our own failures to strengthen our economy. But I don't think anyone could have imagined unjustified economic hostility from our (former?) closest trading partner and ally. Let's not lose sight of the fact that Trump is the aggressor, and has no legitimate reason to be.

But that's exactly the problem. You don't need to be a master strategist to have seen this vulnerability. It's okay to stay saddled to the USA; but you should give yourself options. It's this necessity that we need a federal government's oversight over these types of things and why we can't let NIMBY's and special interest groups dictate ####. You just can't.

[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I don't care if i was fighting alone. I would die before becoming american.

It's not so bad. We all float down here.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

But that's exactly the problem. You don't need to be a master strategist to have seen this vulnerability. It's okay to stay saddled to the USA; but you should give yourself options. It's this necessity that we need a federal government's oversight over these types of things and why we can't let NIMBY's and special interest groups dictate ####. You just can't.

Yeah. The pipelines in that Northern Corridor picture should have been built 20 years ago. Development of ports at eastern Quebec, Labrador, two in the Arctic, and Prince Rupert. Multiple freeways running from east to west, not a one lane 70 km/h rural route from the 1960s.

Might be a blessing in disguise if people can look back in 20 years and all that is built.

[FlameyMcFlameFace]

Originally Posted by CFO

Canada should never have been in such a weak situation to begin with. The provincial fighting, federal directions and minority group/aboriginal fight back on national energy projects over the last 10 years has put Canada in a very vulnerable situation.

I agree. But we can't change the past. So what the hell do we do now? Thats all I care about, is what we do now. We can't fight each other anymore for past mistakes. In fact, Trump probably wants that. We now need to work together. Is it too late to become a economic engine just for us and self-sustain?

[Mr.Coffee]

It is never too late to fire up and focus on the economy. You start now.

[LanceUppercut]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

It is never too late to fire up and focus on the economy. You start now.

I'm tangentially working in oil and gas, and I would go nuclear and cut off all the taps to the US as soon as the tariffs hit. Trump said the US doesn't need anything from us, lets see how that goes.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

It is never too late to fire up and focus on the economy. You start now.

And start by not doing to Canadian consumers what Trump just did to American consumers.

"Oh, you hurt your consumers? Well, watch me, I can do that too!" is foolishness.