[Trade] Frost + Farabee from PHI to CGY for Pelletier + Kuzmenko + 25 2nd + 28 7th

[GioforPM]

Whatever number you give him, Backlund will be facing the opposition's top line and his minutes will reflect that. And Coleman will be on his wing.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Whatever number you give him, Backlund will be facing the opposition's top line and his minutes will reflect that. And Coleman will be on his wing.

And i keep asking what if frost comes in and is better? Really think huska is going to ignore better because its backs? If he does he should he fired?

I have been a Backlund fan since his draft but times are a changing.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Because it is the 4th line. Which of those 4 do you want centering the Lomberg line? Backs and Coleman likely stick so I don’t see him as the 4th line C so do you prefer Zary or Frost centering our 4th line?

Dryden Hunt.

[Heavy Jack]

I think eventually, maybe by next year, Backlund finds himself anchoring the ‘4th line’ if these younger guys begin to force hands but even in this scenario if he were to be put on the 4th line I think he’d undoubtedly lift Lomberg’s play and he’s already proven time and again how great he is for young players breaking into the NHL and I think he’d work well for Klapka and helping him assimilate to the speed of this league, the big man has hands that remind me of backs like that goal against the Ducks. It would be the 3B line really because Backlund plays such a complete 200 foot game, plus you’d still see Backs getting PK minutes, I do think the new additions should remove him from the PP.

When Zary is back I’d like to see

Huberdeau - Kadri - Farabee
Sharangovich - Frost - Coronato
Coleman - Zary - Pospisil/Klapka
Lomberg - Backlund - Klapka/Pospisil

Lots of scoring and jam all throughout, deep at center with players that can move up and down the lineup. Regardless of the slotting debates bravo Craig Conroy, with Vancouver seemingly imploding and a good cushion between the next closest team and just a point back of 3rd in the division things could get interesting.

[EVERLAST]

[QUOTE=Vinny01;9323172]Going to take a stab at lines when everyone is healthy

Huberdeau-Kadri-Farabee
Zary-Frost-Sharangovich
Coleman-Backlund-Coronato
Lomberg-Pospisil-Klapka
Kerins

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Conroy did say again yesterday the plan hasn't changed. In the end I think the potential of a "bottom out for multiple years" plan is not going to happen, and mostly because it's likely not possible with Wolf in net.

So with that in mind now the plan really comes down to strong asset management and strong drafting.

On the asset management front there isn't much to get mad at so far. They've moved out UFAs (Hanifin, Lindholm) and older players that still had some term (Toffoli, Markstrom), and they've brought in picks and U-25 players.

Drafting so far looks really promising with a good 2023 draft and a potentially franchise changing 2024 draft based on how good those guys look this year.

Really they have some assets left to move in Andersson, Coleman and Kadri over the next two seasons, and still have 2 1sts this year and 2 1sts next year.

They will need to figure out how to get that top center, but otherwise things are in good shape IMO.

Andersson is the big piece for sure. I don't think the package would be huge but hopefully a 1st and 2nd or a 1st and prospect. Potentially nothing if he re-signs.

Kadri with 4 years left might be movable if they eat salary but I wouldn't be expecting any significant return.

Coleman eating salary I think would help his value. Coleman at a reduced salary maybe a 1st but probably more likely a 2nd.

The Vegas 1st is the wild card. They still look pretty strong this year so who knows.
Jersey 1st I'd expect to be high.

I think that all amounts to some good depth but again not sure the likelihood it will amount to star power. Maybe they can find a way to package it.

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by Fan69

I keep asking what is this fascination with pospisil as a center? To my mind we got frost so we can stop putting wingers at center? Having backs there changes what that line looks like and can do instead of a prototypical fourth that kept getting caved.

Kadri
Frost
Zary
Backs

To my mind this was the plan.

I think the plan would more likely be that having Frost allows them to move Zary back to the wing where he's been more productive.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

I think the plan would more likely be that having Frost allows them to move Zary back to the wing where he's been more productive.

He has also shown flashes of being a top six center which is far more valuable.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Fan69

And i keep asking what if frost comes in and is better? Really think huska is going to ignore better because its backs? If he does he should he fired?

I have been a Backlund fan since his draft but times are a changing.

Better at covering the McDavids and Mackinnon? Not likely.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by chummer

Just to appease Megahertz, they flew commercial-

https://twitter.com/user/status/1885470408066912644

Conroy is a lot of things but I didnt think he was a cheap-skate! You call that rolling out the red carpet?

Going to Philly and back commercial? Connie is just padding his Airmiles!

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Huberdeau - Kadri - Farabee
Sharangovich - Frost - Coronato
Coleman - Zary - Pospisil/Klapka
Lomberg - Backlund - Klapka/Pospisil

Lots of scoring and jam all throughout, deep at center with players that can move up and down the lineup. Regardless of the slotting debates bravo Craig Conroy, with Vancouver seemingly imploding and a good cushion between the next closest team and just a point back of 3rd in the division things could get interesting.

This feels like you get less out of your 3rd and 4th lines by shifting around the talent. Coleman-Backlund-Zary is a line you can throw out against anybody pretty confidently in any zone. Do you really want Lomberg-Backlund-Klapka in a defensive zone faceoff against other teams top lines because Backlund is your go-to centre in that situation?

[Vinny01]

Here is why I roll the 4 lines I suggested earlier

Huberdeau-Kadri-Farabee. Kadri and Huby have finally found some chemistry and remain our top 2 scorers on the team and highest paid players. Farabee has shown flashes of being a 30 goal 60pt winger with multiple 20 goals seasons under 25 and was a pick in the first half of the first round.

Zary-Frost-Sharangovich- this line is about speed and can be a strong scoring line for the team. Zary and Frost are creative playmakers and Sharangovich can rip the puck. This is a line that could potentially grow together over a few seasons

Coleman-Backlund-Coronato- this is a steady line that has helped Coronato look like a future first liner. Coleman is pacing for close to 50pts and Backs while slowing down is still a reliable contributor who can be trusted

Lomberg-Pospisil-Klapka- new age 4th line. They can crash a bang with the best of them but there is some skill there as well. I think it would be fun to see these 3 mix it up together

[GreenLantern2814]

NHL app has Farabee as 86 and Frost as 16.

Tough titties, Kerins.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

This feels like you get less out of your 3rd and 4th lines by shifting around the talent. Coleman-Backlund-Zary is a line you can throw out against anybody pretty confidently in any zone. Do you really want Lomberg-Backlund-Klapka in a defensive zone faceoff against other teams top lines because Backlund is your go-to centre in that situation?

The 4th line currently is being pivoted by Rooney who is just not an NHLer at this point and is being cratered by competition; I think putting an innumerably better Backlund between the wingers that have been the 4th line this year would make the line remarkably better in many of the metrics they’ve been shallow at this year. The effort is there with Lombo too and Klapka looks good early into this call up, Backs wouldn’t be out of place with them IMO because Backs isn’t out of place with anyone.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

NHL app has Farabee as 86 and Frost as 16.

Tough titties, Kerins.

Kerins switched to 6. Which is a pretty good #

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Fan69

We have scoring woes? So we should continue to put an aging center who has never been a scoring machine front and center for ice time and it will get better? How much of an improvement from our mid thirties center should we expect in the second half?

We just got a guy who is younger faster more offensively minded than backs and a young center trending toward top six production but keep playing backs?

Sorry i dont get it.

Roll four lines.

He gets bumped from the second line center to the third line center where he's perfectly suited.

The team averages just under 48 minutes of five on five hockey tonight.

They currently roll their lines roughly like this ...

14.5 min
13.5 min
12.5 min
7.5 min

I think Backlund may move from 13.5 to 12.5 now.

Rolling four lines is a thought, but you'd need to get the fourth line up in talent, and if you do up in minutes, which takes each of the top three lines down by a minute each.

Just don't see Backlund on the fourth line, but he's an elite 3rd line center, and doesn't have to be a 2nd line center any more.

Why you'd want to take one of the best play driving forwards in the game out of the top nine is beyond me.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Going to take a stab at lines when everyone is healthy

Huberdeau-Kadri-Farabee
Zary-Frost-Sharangovich
Coleman-Backlund-Coronato
Lomberg-Pospisil-Klapka
Rooney

To me, that is the most obvious and straight-forward choice (assuming no more changes between now and post-4 Nations.

And honestly, it's a pretty good lineup.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

NHL app has Farabee as 86 and Frost as 16.

Tough titties, Kerins.

Kerins is now #6 I believe

players are weird with their numbers; in Philly #16 was retired for Bobby Clarke, 48 is divisible by 16 and 16 was Frost’s number for his career with the Soo Greyhounds. Me thinks Frost is gonna pop in a big way

[Electricprez]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Here is why I roll the 4 lines I suggested earlier

Huberdeau-Kadri-Farabee. Kadri and Huby have finally found some chemistry and remain our top 2 scorers on the team and highest paid players. Farabee has shown flashes of being a 30 goal 60pt winger with multiple 20 goals seasons under 25 and was a pick in the first half of the first round.

Zary-Frost-Sharangovich- this line is about speed and can be a strong scoring line for the team. Zary and Frost are creative playmakers and Sharangovich can rip the puck. This is a line that could potentially grow together over a few seasons

Coleman-Backlund-Coronato- this is a steady line that has helped Coronato look like a future first liner. Coleman is pacing for close to 50pts and Backs while slowing down is still a reliable contributor who can be trusted

Lomberg-Pospisil-Klapka- new age 4th line. They can crash a bang with the best of them but there is some skill there as well. I think it would be fun to see these 3 mix it up together

I like the idea of Zary and Frost maybe sparking Sharangovich back to usefulness... what HAPPENED to that dude?!

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Better at covering the McDavids and Mackinnon? Not likely.

How do we know that? Honestly most of the league has trouble stopping them and mcdrai have pretty much owned us for the last couple of years.

I think a lot of people are going to be surprised at how much frost is going to bring to the table.