American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Canada has done nothing to strengthen relationships outside of the US. Europeans were practically begging us to build the infrastructure so we can export our energy to them... and we shrugged our shoulders and continued selling it to the US at a discount because of our lack of infrastructure.

Hopefully this is the wakeup call and we form a renewed partnership with democratic countries like Japan, Korea, and the EU.

I wonder if it's too late though.

Even if Canada decided tomorrow to build pipelines, additional ports (or expansions), refineries, LNG terminals, and whatever else, we'd be years away from completing them. That's not even accounting for time lost for environmental assessments, and consultation with local authorities.

I hate to sound defeatist, but I think we're hooped.

[WideReceiver]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I wonder if there are any good lists out there that have Canadian companies for products that people regularly use. I'd like to support that movement, but researching every single consumer item is time consuming and tedious for a lot of people.

My Facebook feed is inundated with lists of those products. But you’re likely not on Facebook.

[WideReceiver]

Economics 101 lesson for MAGAts: Tariffs = Higher Taxes = Inflation = Stagnation = Recession. FAFO.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Regarding the grocery list above, wouldn't Walmart Cola be American?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by WideReceiver

My Facebook feed is inundated with lists of those products. But you’re likely not on Facebook.

I have a Facebook account but haven’t checked in for like 10 years.

[ripTDR]

I hear Trump might do 10 percent on oil, which is showing weakness cause he knows there will be consequences if he goes further.



Hammer the dude with export tariffs/taxes with crude. Hit him hard and let the American voters deal with it

[Acey]

Would there be any legal ramifications for Ford if he actually ordered power to stop being sent to northern states? I dunno who I'm even thinking he'd face consequences from but there must be some kind of rule against that by some authority.

[Brendone]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I wonder if it's too late though.

Even if Canada decided tomorrow to build pipelines, additional ports (or expansions), refineries, LNG terminals, and whatever else, we'd be years away from completing them. That's not even accounting for time lost for environmental assessments, and consultation with local authorities.

I hate to sound defeatist, but I think we're hooped.

What about a border security corridor, with pipe shaped obstacles and strategic pump guardhouses? Seems we can spend money on security as needed. Is land adjacent to the border provincial or federal? Ram that security corridor through!

[troutman]

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/rci/en/n...them-to-happen

CBC readers have been asking how it's even possible for the U.S. to do this when it signed the Canada-U.S.-Mexico Agreement (CUSMA) — the trade deal that emerged after Trump forced a renegotiation of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) not that long ago.

Yet economics and trade law experts say the U.S. could, under CUSMA, cite national security as a rationale for its actions and plow ahead with tariffs knowing Canada can't prevent that from happening.

A trade agreement is just a treaty ... and treaties can be broken, said Gus Van Harten, a professor of trade and investment law at Toronto's York University.

What can Canada do about this? It could seek a dispute resolution process, but York University's Van Harten said that's not an overnight process and, in his view, there's no guarantee Canada would be successful in the end.

Even if we win, the remedy is to authorize retaliatory sanctions, said Van Harten, noting that by the time that happened, any tariffs imposed would already have hurt Canada's economy badly.

[Acey]

Originally Posted by WideReceiver

My Facebook feed is inundated with lists of those products. But you’re likely not on Facebook.

A couple days ago the Starbucks in Concourse AA at YYC had a small "Proudly Canadian Ownership" sign that has since been removed. A few viral social media posts over the past few days have been encouraging people to go to local coffee shops or Second Cup; none seem to mention Tim Hortons likely because it's awful.

[puffnstuff]

Saw a post on social media

"Its like being tied up and forced to watch a toddler run around with a loaded gun"

[Mr.Coffee]

Since there’s no way of knowing what will make them go away, since Trump keeps moving goalposts / scope of concerns / demands. I actually don’t think there’s anything Canada can do but tariff heavy oil in retaliation.

Canada should enact emergency measures to build nationalized pipeline capacity capable of transporting current heavy crude volumes plus growth to BC to reach tidewater. Use the previous fresh right of ways and path that TMX just used and build another line and then figure out the marine export piece, I’ve heard that’s a bottleneck. Enact emergency measures and basically force it through without consultation processes immediately. Try to have it built within a 2-3 years.

[Looch City]

So I happened upon a WH press secretary video on the news.

Is this a joke? Is she a joke?

Are we all living in one big giant joke?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Looch City

So I happened upon a WH press secretary video on the news.

Is this a joke? Is she a joke?

Are we all living in one big giant joke?

Hahahahaaha


cry

[EldrickOnIce]

What is the answer to these ridiculous tariffs?
Retaliatory tariffs might actually be worse for pretty much everyone.
Boycott anything US?
Long term, secure new markets for exports?
What a mess

[scotty2hotty]

When do the Boos start during the American national anthem? You know that’s coming soon if this escalates.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Looch City

So I happened upon a WH press secretary video on the news.

Is this a joke? Is she a joke?

Are we all living in one big giant joke?

Trump said she was a "10"

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

What is the answer to these ridiculous tariffs?
Retaliatory tariffs might actually be worse for pretty much everyone.
Boycott anything US?
Long term, secure new markets for exports?
What a mess

Unless Trump suddenly croaks and someone more sensible takes over, retaliatory tariffs are pretty much the only thing we can do at this point. Same goes for Mexico, the EU, and everybody else on the planet. And yes, this completely changes the game in terms of trade partnerships with other nations. The entire world is gonna have to find a way to become less reliant on the U.S. There are no easy solutions to any of this, and it's gonna hurt for a while. But right now, that's the only way forward.

[ripTDR]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Since there’s no way of knowing what will make them go away, since Trump keeps moving goalposts / scope of concerns / demands. I actually don’t think there’s anything Canada can do but tariff heavy oil in retaliation.

Canada should enact emergency measures to build nationalized pipeline capacity capable of transporting current heavy crude volumes plus growth to BC to reach tidewater. Use the previous fresh right of ways and path that TMX just used and build another line and then figure out the marine export piece, I’ve heard that’s a bottleneck. Enact emergency measures and basically force it through without consultation processes immediately. Try to have it built within a 2-3 years.

Honestly I'm down with this, but whatever cost not only flows to whatever rights indigenous territory holds but also local businesses. I used to work at the Redwoods Golf course that got decimated by the OG TMX pipeline where they were closed down for two years. Are we cool with this type of stuff again? Can we as a whole country get behind this with the backing of our Indigenous fellow Canadians?

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by ripTDR

Honestly I'm down with this, but whatever cost not only flows to whatever rights indigenous territory holds but also local businesses. I used to work at the Redwoods Golf course that got decimated by the OG TMX pipeline where they were closed down for two years. Are we cool with this type of stuff again? Can we as a whole country get behind this with the backing of our Indigenous fellow Canadians?

Is Redwoods golf course more important than the Canadian economy?

Is local / regional indigenous group more important?

No?

Canada’s trade surplus with the US is ENTIRELY covered by oil and gas. It’s by a long shot in first place and the biggest piece they fear retaliation of, because their refineries need it. Therefore- it really is basically our biggest piece of leverage.

So if tariffs are to stay Canada has to, if we want an economy or economic future. Notice how Trump said this is the level of tariffs “for now”. Aka could go up. The States can absolutely crush Canada if we don’t find other customers for our oil and gas. We need pipeline capacity.

So, I’m sorry, this is what I would consider an economic emergency and NIMBYs concerns need to be shelved and basically ignored unless you want to become an American in a few years. That’s the strategy. Make our economy crushed until we capitulate to join them.

So I guess pick your poison. Emergency act measures to build pipeline capacity or become American in a few years because that’s how I view this thing headed. We need leverage.


NIMBY concerns are not relevant at all. Like whatsoever.