[Trade] Frost + Farabee from PHI to CGY for Pelletier + Kuzmenko + 25 2nd + 28 7th

[Andrew]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Dreger was saying the Flyers had Frosts next contract pegged around 4m.

I suspect with the cap rising a long term deal for Frost with CGY is likely going to start with a 5.

5 mil is pricey for 30 pts. But like u say cap rising. We can afford but I would go super long term we will need it too

[scotty2hotty]

You know it's a good trade for the Flames when every sports media outlet has the 2 Flyers players as their headline pics.

[stemit14]

This does give them the flexibility to just do a 1 year qualifying offer for Frost as well if they find it’s not a fit - although I doubt they will do that. I imagine something reasonable in term similar to Sharangovich (around 5 years).

[TheIronMaiden]

Another positive for this trade is our 2nd round pick is trending to be a later round pick, so it holds less value than it would if the Flames were bottom 10.

[jg13]

have we heard from either of our new acquisitions yet?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

This made the Flames better for sure, but doesn't move the needle to make them more than a bubble team.

Few trades move the needle very much, the goal is incremental improvement.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

I like that they gave Kuzmenko a chance to stick in the NHL for next year. He wasn't going to get a contract here, and may have struggled to find work elsewhere. This gives him his best chance to find chemistry with Michkov as his linemate. That may not have been a trade factor, but good on Conroy for giving him that opportunity

I think this is simply Calgary dumping his salary due to taking on Farabee’s contract.

Torts and Kuzmenko, LOL.

[Rollin22x]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

He will get over it. It was just last week that naz said in an interview he hoped conny would add talent to the team this year. Conny did that. Naz is no dumny , he knows you got to give to get. Someone was leaving if they wanted to improve the team.

Of course he'll get over it. Someone asked about his comments. Given his response, it may hit the room a little harder this time. Maybe Pelts didn't just inspire Huby to play better or make this team a lot more fun to play for. If Pelts wasn't expecting this than at least he has Huby to talk to since he went thru a pretty traumatic trade himself.

[Southside]

Originally Posted by D as in David

Does anyone have a read on what the Oilers' and Canucks' fan base are saying about this trade? Ultra salty or just regular salty?

What I have heard, limited to one Oiler fan mind you is basically, meh but funny how now they think Pelts was really something, maybe the best player in the trade. LOL. I reminded they could have had Pelts for free...

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Few trades move the needle very much, the goal is incremental improvement.

for sure, not being negative, just trying to keep thing in perspective is all.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by d as in david

a week ago, anyone proposing this trade on this forum would have been eviscerated.

100%

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Andrew

5 mil is pricey for 30 pts. But like u say cap rising. We can afford but I would go super long term we will need it too

If he is a 30 pt guy, he won't get $5M, so no worries.

But he is not a 30 pt guy. Last 3 seasons:

81 games, 46P
71 games, 41P - 47 pt pace
49 games, 25P - 42 pt pace this year

[Wastedyouth]

Tortorella has accomplished nothing in the last 10+ years.

He has done nothing with his team this year.

Why Briere is selling off young assets to appease a pretty terrible coach, I will never know.

[jonesy]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I think this is simply Calgary dumping his salary due to taking on Farabee’s contract.

Torts and Kuzmenko, LOL.

I just read that Torto 'benched Michkov after heated exchange'
If so, I would fire Tort.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I think some are really glossing over the loss of Pelletier. I had him evolving into a 20-20/30 guy who can play in all situations, with loads of leadership qualities. Seems like the players will take his loss hard.


With that being said, Frost and Farabee will probably both be more impactful on the scoreboard (and I have no idea about their character, but I am hoping that they bring that back into the locker room too). Unless Frost and Farabee don't work out for some reason, this is a win both short and long-term for the Flames. I am not sure it will dramatically affect face-offs for the team much, as being all lefties, they will be disadvantaged on their weak side, but it will definitely help in every other way.


Lots and LOTS of options for lineups now. Does anyone know if Farabee and Frost play with one another (or have played with one another lots previously)? If they do have chemistry together, you keep them together obviously. If they don't, I would prefer they get onto different lines so that they can get up to speed faster with both the systems and the pace that the Flames play at. Having 2 players on the same line helping them out should help.


I don't quite agree that you have to keep Coronato on the Backlund line. I am starting to see Coronato as a bit of a line-driver now, and I think he can either go to the Huberdeau-Kadri line and contribute there, or go to a different line and help to create a scoring line. Whomever plays with Backlund and Coleman will do well - just keep Backlund and Coleman together, as well as Huberdeau and Kadri.



I would actually take a look at running 4 lines when Zary is back. Kadri and Backlund are old. Unless the Flames draft high, they aren't going to get a C that can backfill for Kadri/Backlund anytime soon, so I say you keep Zary at C and roll 4 lines instead. Keeps everyone fresh and engaged.



Huberdeau - Kadri - Farabee
Pospisil - Frost - Coronato
Klapka - Backlund - Coleman
Sharangovich - Zary - Lomberg
Rooney


Every line has a C with talent, a winger with talent, and some jam. Backlund and Coleman can shelter Klapka (everyone does well on this line). I wouldn't think of this as running lines 1-4. There is no '4th line'. Backlund's line gets the tough match-ups and more defensive zone starts. Huberdeau's line gets more offensive zone starts. The other two lines get about equal minutes. That's how I would want to run things anyway. Fairly balanced line. If one line is running hot and one is cold, you adjust the minutes.



Anyway, there are so many possibilities. Huska is going to have fun juggling the lines. Hopefully out of this, the Flames can at least get two consistent scoring lines and checking line that wins their match-ups (Backlund) by out-scoring the opposition (as usual), and can figure out either another good scoring line, or if they go with a traditional 4th line, one that is much more impactful. Lots lots of combos now with 4 legitimate centres who are all at least 3rd line Cs (depending on how you view Zary at this moment), but are more likely all 2nd line Cs.


I have been excited for almost every game this season, but definitely a little more for the next!

[memphusk]

Sometimes the damage is done. Time to shine in Calgary fellas.

[BagoPucks]

Mitchkov prolly needs someone who is a good example to help his development. Kuzmenko prolly is going to be an example of what not to do in your career. Anyway, happy for the flames. We get two young players. Hopefully our pro scouts hit on these two like the others.

[Ruttiger]

Originally Posted by D as in David

Does anyone have a read on what the Oilers' and Canucks' fan base are saying about this trade? Ultra salty or just regular salty?

A meh from me. Probably fine to move on from Kuzmenko as he wasn't going to be in Calgary beyond the end of the season anyway. Some upside in the guys you got but nothing that is going to keep me up at night at this stage.

[Remember1989]

If Torts really has a problem with Kuzy, then to me they are putting their relationship with Matvei at even greater risk.

[howard_the_duck]

Not sure how to feel about this one.

I’d held out foolish hope to draft in the top 10 this year. Next year, I feel strongly we need a high pick as well.

This feels like a move that yes improves us and gives us a shot at being a playoff team, but also not really elevating the team or future out of the mushy middle.

I think it puts serious question marks that this team will ever bottom out as I’d hoped they would, which disappoints me from a competing for the cup standpoint, but gets them closer to annually competing for a playoff spot. So perhaps it ends my apathy towards the team? Time will tell.

The team will need to absolutely nail their drafting moving forward if we’re picking in the 16-20 range every year, that’s for sure.