Official WWE/ECW/WCW/TNA talk, or whatever v2

[TheIronMaiden]

Joe Hendry in the RR confirmed.

[CaptainCrunch]

I wonder how cross promotional this is going to be.



They could do supercards, or do invasion angles. But it helps out TNA who has been bleeding talent for a while, at the same time if WWE has a worker that's struggling to get TV time they could send him or her to TNA.

[trackercowe]

Loving that build with Owens/Zayn. Tremendous writing and foreshadowing. Obviously leading to a WrestleMania match between the two. I would hope one day eventually Zayn wins that title.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

Loving that build with Owens/Zayn. Tremendous writing and foreshadowing. Obviously leading to a WrestleMania match between the two. I would hope one day eventually Zayn wins that title.

The obvious build here is Sami doesn't help KO, so then KO snaps on Sami in the rumble.

But it would be a lot less predictable if Sami actually did help KO win the title, only for KO to still come out and attack Sami which leads to a title match between the two at WM (or Sami costs KO the title at elimination chamber to set up a different match without the title).

With guys like Punk, Reigns, Cody, Drew, Seth etc all available for the world title picture it likely doesn't happen, but it would be a ton of fun and a much bigger shock to do that.

One thing I do think the WWE needs to work in are some more quick and shock title reigns, the attitude era actually did that well at times (sometimes too much) but not every title reign needs to be 150 days and up.

[TheIronMaiden]

The WWE has done a good job of leaving things up in the air.

It all makes sense to me, I am not really confused what and why its happening.

My guess is because Sami talked to Kross, that usually means a Heel turn.

[TheIronMaiden]

I want a Penta Vs Gunther match.

Or Penta Vs Bron Breakker.

[trackercowe]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I want a Penta Vs Gunther match.

Or Penta Vs Bron Breakker.

Yeah both of those matches would be incredible. I like what they're doing now though. He has to slowly gain a foothold within the WWE style. It's a different environment than Lucha or AEW. I liked that he sold quite a bit last night, and worked a credible match. I think he needs to slowly mould into the style, just as they're doing with Jacob Fatu.

Penta has a large future ahead of him. His entrance, swagger, theme music, attire, and style set him apart from everyone else in the company. It's unfortunate for Rey Phoenix. Tony Khan really screwed him over. As someone was saying on a podcast Cole calling Penta the "second best Lucha star" puts Rey into the background whenever he enters the company. They'd almost be better off keeping them on seperate shows, which isn't an ideal situation

[SuperMatt18]

Rey Fenix going to NXT and winning the NXT title first would probably be best for him.

He's going to need a bit more exposure and opportunity to build himself as a singles star.

Where it's a bit easier for Penta due to his history, and look.

[trackercowe]

Ah touché, it makes perfect sense to go that route. I wonder how Rey will feel being built that way. Meanwhile Penta will likely be in the upper card whenever that happens.

[dammage79]

Just watched a video on YouTube breaking down the Bloodline family line. The biggest surprise for me was Yokozuna! Pun intended I suppose.

[albertGQ]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Just watched a video on YouTube breaking down the Bloodline family line. The biggest surprise for me was Yokozuna! Pun intended I suppose.

What was surprising? Did you think he was actually Japanese?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

What was surprising? Did you think he was actually Japanese?

Yes, for a long time.

Vince McMahon the ultimate schiester, sending out a Somoan and telling us he is a Japense sumo player.

Had Mr. Fuji and everything.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Yes, for a long time.

Vince McMahon the ultimate schiester, sending out a Somoan and telling us he is a Japense sumo player.

Had Mr. Fuji and everything.

Before 1990 everyone told a tall tale, it's just some people were able to lie to make a living.

[trackercowe]

Tony Khan does know there are other ways to finish a show other than having Mox's group decimate whoever he's facing? It's so damn repetitive, I swear they've done the same finish in 50 of the last 52 shows. I know WWE did it often with The Bloodline. The difference is everyone hates Mox and whatever he's doing. He never gets any reaction from the crowd, yet he's always booked to look dominant. Also they're really pushing this Jeff Jarrett narrative? A 57 year old (who was never a "top guy"), a 51 year old (who was never a "top guy"), and a 39 year old (who was never a "top guy") with plenty of miles on each of them are going after the belt... That's ugly... At least Christian will play a role (a 51 year old who was never a "top guy") in deciding who will hold the title in the future.

It's good to see Lashley and Benjamin won the tag titles, although again that's six former WWE guys with many miles on each of them. Private Party winning the belts off The Bucks was meant to be a big moment, but they never really did anything with them. What was the point?

The first 20 minutes of the show was pretty fun though. That should lead to a good match is Australia. Also Harley Cameron is beautiful and multi-talented. They should figure out how to book her better otherwise I'm certain WWE will snap her up. She's basically getting the Jinder Mahal treatment.

[SuperMatt18]

Yeah they did Private Party a bit dirty on that, win the titles on October 30th, defend in 4-way match that was thrown together for full gear, have another defense on January 4th (Rush & Andretti), and now lose the titles on Jan 22 in what was a bit of a squash match.

So never really had a major feud or much TV time as champions and the story of them being more aggressive and finally winning the title after Mox attacked them kind of went nowhere (like pretty much this entire Mox storyline)

The mismanagement of the AEW tag division as a whole is such a shame, it was one of the best parts of early AEW that really was strong, but once the trios titles and then ROH titles were introduced it really killed the whole division (and Tony's booking).

Kenny being back is great though...hopefully he can try to turn some of these stories around.

The Mox faction though...first as BCC and now as Death Riders had pretty much killed the AEW men's scene for almost 2 years now. No idea why Tony thinks people still want to see this faction.

[CaptainCrunch]

I get why they're doing the Jarrett thing, because they want to emulate the Cena thing. But Jarrett was never a real main event guy, or that big of a money draw. People will follow Cena's end of wrestling career, because he's also a big name outside of wrestling now.


I haven't been a fan of Moxley in AEW, that promise when he left WWE and he created that really great self promo video has led to a guy that at first was simply Stone Cold Jon Moxley, then the guy fighting garbage matches that had no reason or payoff, and finally this faction, which has literally sucked the life out of the AEW scene and has serious going away heat.


I'm fine with Lashley and SB winning the tag team belt, as long as the focus isn't about the tag team belts for Lashley. He should be in the world title picture right now.



Frankly AEW is a mess right now, and they're paying for it with attendance and ratings. And it pretty much all lies on the shoulders of Tony Kahn, but him and his old man have completely wrecked the Jags too.


Out of curiosity has anyone been watching TNA since it came to Sportsnet. I know Grace it looks like just finished up with them.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Frankly AEW is a mess right now, and they're paying for it with attendance and ratings. And it pretty much all lies on the shoulders of Tony Kahn, but him and his old man have completely wrecked the Jags too.

Fulham had their struggles too.

Kahn bought them and then they spent 6 of 8 years in the Championship.

Kind of turned them around a little now with a top 10 finish last season and mid-table so far this year.

Tony's problem is he somehow did the TNA thing...without bringing in Russo, Bischoff, and Hogan...they started off as hot and different and that was what gave them success. More focus on match quality, new stars and faces, fast paced action that felt different than WWE. Had a couple of ex-WWE guys like Jericho and Mox to help with branding and name recognition, but as a whole it felt different.

Then he just did the "Bring in every wrestler the WWE cuts" thing and it's killed them a bit...Miro, Malakai, Keith Lee, Edge, Cesaro, MVP, Samoa Joe...that made it feel a bit just like WWE pt 2.

Some names like Danielson, Ricochet, Adam Cole (ignoring the terrible booking) made sense in the brand they were building and style of wrestling they wanted, but some of these other guys really just don't fit with what the AEW brand was.

Especially this "Death Riders" angle that feels just like some of those terrible Vince McMahon storylines of the 2010s, it feels like a weird version of WWE right now more than it feels like the good version of AEW.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

The Mox faction though...first as BCC and now as Death Riders had pretty much killed the AEW men's scene for almost 2 years now. No idea why Tony thinks people still want to see this faction.

The issue isn't the faction. The members of the faction are pretty interesting. It's Moxley. He's junk.


A well used, healthy Omega is a god send for AEW.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

The issue isn't the faction. The members of the faction are pretty interesting. It's Moxley. He's junk.


A well used, healthy Omega is a god send for AEW.

Nah the faction was an issue too and never had a good purpose beyond it's initial fued with the Elite...but once that happened (back in May 2023) that faction continued on and on for some reason.

It limited what you could do creatively with all those guys (Danielson, Moxley, Cesaro, PAC) in the singles division.

Forced guys that should have been a big part of your singles divisions across your titles into lots of multiman junk matches or random fueds.

In terms of Mox...it seems weird to say but I actually feel like he fits back in HHH's WWE more than he does AEW right now. He feels like he would fit well into this whole Drew / Seth / KO / Cody / Sami / Roman / Punk top of the card they have right now, and just stylistically that he would work well with what they are building there. He really seems like a "square peg" in a divsion where he's the main heel and your faces are Copeland, Jay White, Darby, and Orange Cassidy.

And to give Mox a break...he's been junk...but AEW having no believable faces that act as a good foil to him in their main event scene right now doesn't help things either. Omega, a redeemed Hangman, or maybe even Swerve (if they didn't bury him post his title loss) would probably have worked better than what they've tried to do here.

[underGRADFlame]

How JD isn't dead after last night's bump is amazing and a credit to that huge head of his....

https://twitter.com/user/status/1884052901234106765

https://twitter.com/user/status/1884077374242972167

not the injuries I would have guessed...

https://twitter.com/user/status/1884147677887410237