2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Royle9]

Sounds like Buffalo and Vancouver are now dancing a bit.
But Buffalo wants Petey.

[MrMike]

Good. Vancouver is so dumb.

[Monahammer]

Byram+cozens+1st for petey? Maybe?

Hughes-byram is a good base on the backend for the canucks.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Byram+cozens+1st for petey? Maybe?

Hughes-byram is a good base on the backend for the canucks.

That's an overpay by Buffalo imo.

[dammage79]

Petterson/Dahling is a heck of a swede tandem.

[Canada 02]

Teams unwilling to go to $100M is no surprise. There are 20 teams now who are $2.5M+ below the cap. 10 are $5M+ bellow the cap

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

That's an overpay by Buffalo imo.

Huge overpay

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

Teams unwilling to go to $100M is no surprise. There are 20 teams now who are $2.5M+ below the cap. 10 are $5M+ bellow the cap

I remember when the cap was $39M in 2005-2006, and we had signed Tony Amonte and Darren McCarty, and I thought it was amazing that we could actually now sign guys like that... crazy how far the salary cap world has come since then

[Ba'alzamon]

With the on and off rumors about the Wild trying to shop Rossi for a bigger C, I'm surprised there hasn't been more smoke around a Rossi for Cozens swap.

[delayedreflex]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

Teams unwilling to go to $100M is no surprise. There are 20 teams now who are $2.5M+ below the cap. 10 are $5M+ bellow the cap

Don't the players get 50% of revenue regardless of whether teams are spending to the cap? I thought having the salary cap go up/players getting massive contracts really just shifts money towards the biggest newly-signed contracts and away from players with existing contracts.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Sounds like Buffalo and Vancouver are now dancing a bit.
But Buffalo wants Petey.

Interesting. Is Vancouver still honestly willing to trade Petterson? Would that mean they stick with Miller or likely to trade both?

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Interesting. Is Vancouver still honestly willing to trade Petterson? Would that mean they stick with Miller or likely to trade both?

If they want to squash it all, you move both. Whoever is left will always have to answer the questions.

[Beninho]

Canucks gm has done nothing to help the situation. The Canucks are dealing with a dip in form after exceeding expectations, very similar to the Flames after the 2018-2019 season. Unless it is beyond toxic behind the scenes a smart GM would come out and tell the media they are not trading either and both are signed to long term deals. Every team knows there is blood in the water, why the hell would you trade either now. If I was a Canucks fan i’d be livid at the gm for not squashing the rumours and entertaining strange deals. It all seems very short sighted and not a trade you make in the middle of the season.

[Sec214]

[dammage79]

The Canucks Also have to walk on eggshells if they intend to keep Hughes happy as well. They cannot afford to linger on this toxicity, it'll have stronger long term effects the longer this goes. Can't let this cancerous environment take over the entire body.

Plus, if it is true that Petterson has said he wants to stay in Vancouver, it just makes the situation even worse . They'll have to take an L on Miller. Or, move Petterson and risk a deeper chasm.

They're pretty hooped.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

Teams unwilling to go to $100M is no surprise. There are 20 teams now who are $2.5M+ below the cap. 10 are $5M+ bellow the cap

This is actually a really interesting point that I haven't seen this discussed much before. When teams like Edmonton and Toronto that are making $281 million per year, spending $100 million or 35.6% of revenue on player salaries is feasible. For teams that are only.making $199 million or less, paying over 50% just to player salaries may be a tough pill to swallow. 19 teams in the league make $199 million or less. 5 teams are $161 million or less. I imagine the cap raising too much will be a topic next CBA, getting to a point where some teams would be able to just outspend others anyway.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Where there's smoke, there's fire?

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Byram+cozens+1st for petey? Maybe?

Hughes-byram is a good base on the backend for the canucks.

Interesting trade proposal. That would be a good return for both sides IMO. Both are kind of taking a risk in the trade. Petterson has looked like a shell of his former self for almost a full year now. Buffalo would be gambling that it’s simply the struggles with Miller that has caused that. While there’s a risk that his struggles could continue I think it’s unlikely. I could see him becoming a 90+ point centre again next year.

Slightly more risk to Vancouver but it would totally depend on what pick they are getting. If it is this year’s 1st round pick, that’s a great return for Petterson since, right now, Buffalo is set to pick 3rd overall. That’s a very high pick that’s almost unheard of to be traded for anyone these days. If it’s a top 5 protected pick next year, then that’s a bit more conservative of a return for Petterson. The Canucks would be gambling that Cozens returns to being the player he was 2 seasons ago.

So there’s a big swing in how this trade proposal could go for Vancouver. If Cozens turns out to just be a 3rd line center and the pick next year is outside the top 10 in the draft, I’d say that’s a mediocre return for Petterson - especially if Petterson becomes a top 10 centre in the league again. If Cozens returns to being what he was projected to be and the Canucks got someone like Misa or Hagens or Schaefer in this year’s draft, the Canucks could have essentially rebuilt their team overnight and be a competitive team next year with a league-wide top prospect in the system.

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Kipper got a pet monkey.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I disagree with the notion of bringing in depth defencemen for the playoffs. Why? I get that you want to reward them for having a great season, but for too long this organization kept throwing away picks on depth defencemen that don't really move the needle.


On top of this - Solovyov, Kuznetsov and Poirier will all need waivers next season (Solovyov has passed through waivers already this season, but he is having a pretty good season). Parekh will be pushing to make the team too. Brzustewicz looked great at camp, and though he had a slow start, his points are really starting to come now, and I expect him to push again. Morin is a dark horse. Grushnikov was labeled as being "almost NHL ready" at the trade - he is still waiver ineligible for another season, but he should start getting some looks.


I would rather test out what we have in-house if the need arises rather than go put up some more roadblocks in front of players, and take away picks like Mews, Mangiapane, Wolf just to try and improve the team for... what exactly? The Flames are probably not going to win or lose a series at this point with a mild upgrade or two on defence. Just keep those picks and use them at the draft, and give some young kids the necessary experience for their continued development.

I don’t know. I think it’s too easy to say those depth D didn’t help. How would we know? First of all, ‘moving the needle’ implies an impact player. You’re not getting an impact player for a mid round pick. You can get a complimentary player, and most teams, especially playoff teams need those too. Do we know what would have happened if the Flames didn’t trade for Forbort and/Gustavson? No. We don’t. Would they have been better off keeping this picks? Who knows.

As a GM, you have to assume risk. To me, the discussion is more a methodology based. Are you trying to ice a competitive team, or are you trying to build a long term pipeline of prospects? Hard to do both. I know many prefer the latter, and I don’t disagree with that approach but I can also understand why the Flames did what they did back then. I think these larger directional decisions are made above the GM.

On a somewhat related note, I came across an Eric Tulsky quote from his interview with LeBrun post Rantinen trade. ‘We believe that if you have cap space to use, there are always ways to use it’. To me, if the Flames do not find a way to use their cap space between now and the deadline to be on the other side of this discussion and acquire additional picks, that would be a failure.