[Trade] Rantanen, Hall to CAR. Necas, Drury, 2nd, 4th to COL. CHI ret 50% of Rantanen + 3rd

[TheIronMaiden]

Colorado are right to build around Makar and Mackinnon. The two best players in hockey imo.

[PaperBagger'14]

I don’t really see the appeal here for Chicago. Trade an older but serviceable vet in Hall and retain 50% of Rantanens pay for the year all for a 3rd round pick? What’s the play here, they aren’t rocking much cap space after all this.

Carolina gets one of the top scoring players in the league, as a UFA, and a very serviceable journeyman with a scoring past.

Colorado gets a young forward with upside, Drury who I know nothing about and 2 draft picks.

Chicago retains a fair amount of money, loses hall, and a middle draft pick. I don’t get this from Chicagos point of view at all

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Avs have 13.841m (puckpedia) in cap space to use to build up. They're not done, not by a long shot. If they're not getting Sid they'll blow their wad elsewhere. This trade is just setting the table for their load up.

I know a high drafted winger they could get in a trade who’s cheap compared to what Rantanen will get, and he’s signed long term.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

I don’t really see the appeal here for Chicago. Trade an older but serviceable vet in Hall and retain 50% of Rantanens pay for the year all for a 3rd round pick? What’s the play here, they aren’t rocking much cap space after all this.

Carolina gets one of the top scoring players in the league, as a UFA, and a very serviceable journeyman with a scoring past.

Colorado gets a young forward with upside, Drury who I know nothing about and 2 draft picks.

Chicago retains a fair amount of money, loses hall, and a middle draft pick. I don’t get this from Chicagos point of view at all

Building a reputation of doing right by players goes a long way. Hall wants to play meaningful hockey. Doing right by him will help recruiting players in the future.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

I don’t really see the appeal here for Chicago. Trade an older but serviceable vet in Hall and retain 50% of Rantanens pay for the year all for a 3rd round pick? What’s the play here, they aren’t rocking much cap space after all this.

Carolina gets one of the top scoring players in the league, as a UFA, and a very serviceable journeyman with a scoring past.

Colorado gets a young forward with upside, Drury who I know nothing about and 2 draft picks.

Chicago retains a fair amount of money, loses hall, and a middle draft pick. I don’t get this from Chicagos point of view at all

Hall has no value, their season is going nowhere, and they got rid of him for free. Then they bought a 3rd rounder for $2 5/16 MM. Seems great for them.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

You just never know.

I doubt he thought Colorado would be moving him.

Carolina is much more rigid and structured in their system than Colorado is.

And even though Aho is great he's not Mackinnon.

Sounds like you are describing the mindset of a follower. Someone you'd never pay top dollar in the league to. For their decline years.

"I was good, but...my confidence! And structure!"

Nothing to do with Rantanen in particular since we are all just sitting around speculating. But I want someone who says, "Wherever I go, I'm going to win." Even if they don't. That's the mindset I want on my team.

Confidence? Do you truly expect someone else to give you that? Forget about us, does a professional athlete?!

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Colorado are right to build around Makar and Mackinnon. The two best players in hockey imo.

They will lose here big time. Necas is nothing in the playoffs, a sideshow.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Building a reputation of doing right by players goes a long way. Hall wants to play meaningful hockey. Doing right by him will help recruiting players in the future.

This makes some sense, hopefully buy some good will. From an asset perspective it doesn’t seem well done but I like this answer.

Originally Posted by butterfly

Hall has no value, their season is going nowhere, and they got rid of him for free. Then they bought a 3rd rounder for $2 5/16 MM. Seems great for them.

Hall had at least some value, while he’s dropped off this year, Carolina still traded for him. He’s not the top tier guy he was years ago but if someone had said they traded Hall for a 3rd round pick straight up it wouldnt have shocked me. Hall and 50% of Rantanens contract for a 3rd is shocking. I would have assumed those would have netted a late first round pick.

[traptor]

I like it for both sides.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Hall had at least some value, while he’s dropped off this year, Carolina still traded for him. He’s not the top tier guy he was years ago but if someone had said they traded Hall for a 3rd round pick straight up it wouldnt have shocked me. Hall and 50% of Rantanens contract for a 3rd is shocking. I would have assumed those would have netted a late first round pick.

A 24 point winger who makes $6 million and has one 40 point season in the last 8 years has value in your opinion?

[NegativeSpace]

Honestly it’s kinda nice not to be the team that is giving up the best player in the transaction for a bit.

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Paywalled.



Why do they look like cowards? For getting a veritable haul for 33 games of a star player at age 28? When Landeskog is practicing again?

Good point. I’ll leave the reasoning out of it.

James Mirtle’s grades:
Hurricanes grade: A
Avalanche grade: B-
Blackhawks grade: C

Shayna Goldman’s grades:
Hurricanes grade: A+
Avalanche grade: B-
Blackhawks grade: F

[sureLoss]

Friedman's take:

https://www.sportsnet.ca/article/why...-happened-now/

Thinks the Hawks will take a run at Rantanen in the summer if he hits the market

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by butterfly

A 24 point winger who makes $6 million and has one 40 point season in the last 8 years has value in your opinion?

Not my opinion, the hurricanes opinion. They just traded for him so he clearly has some value. Dollar per point he’s right there in Huberdeau territory this year and we’re celebrating his resurgence.

Huberdeau this year:

10 500 000 / 35 points = $300 000 per point so far

Hall this year:

6 000 000 / 24 points = $250 000 per point so far

Both guys have 46 games played this year. We’re celebrating this loser on our team and chastising Hall for being more effective. Odd take.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Will be interesting to see how Rantanen performs in Carolina, and how that will affect negotiations on re-signing. I assume Carolina went into this thinking that they will re-sign Rantanen, but maybe they are just going for a cup?



I really like Necas in Colorado, plus they gained futures too.



The price on retention seems cheap - no wonder there hasn't been any that Conroy has been involved with yet. Hopefully the trade deadline will shoot the price up a bit.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Not my opinion, the hurricanes opinion. They just traded for him so he clearly has some value. Dollar per point he’s right there in Huberdeau territory this year and we’re celebrating his resurgence.

Huberdeau this year:

10 500 000 / 35 points = $300 000 per point so far

Hall this year:

6 000 000 / 24 points = $250 000 per point so far

Both guys have 46 games played this year. We’re celebrating this loser on our team and chastising Hall for being more effective. Odd take.

Nobody is saying that Huberdeau has positive trade value. If we're celebrating, it's because the team is finally getting some degree of value for that awful contract. You can't get rid of him, so you might as well enjoy the fact that he's finally producing for a change.

That doesn't make Hall worth anything. $250,000 per point is an awful price to pay for a forward.

[GreenLantern2814]

I would hate this trade as a fan of the Avs and be bitterly indifferent the Hawks couldn’t get more for Hall as a rental + retaining on Rantanen.

I’d be over the moon if I were a Hurricanes fan, if any indeed exist.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Not my opinion, the hurricanes opinion. They just traded for him so he clearly has some value. Dollar per point he’s right there in Huberdeau territory this year and we’re celebrating his resurgence.

Huberdeau this year:

10 500 000 / 35 points = $300 000 per point so far

Hall this year:

6 000 000 / 24 points = $250 000 per point so far

Both guys have 46 games played this year. We’re celebrating this loser on our team and chastising Hall for being more effective. Odd take.

You might be. I'm not.

Huberdeau 2022-23 $5.9M/55 points = $107.3k per point - everyone disappointed.
Huberdeau 2023-24 $10.5M/49 points = $214.3k per point - everyone disappointed.
Huberdeau 2024-25 $10.5M/62 points (if no injuries) = $169.4k per point - hooray?

They're both worthless contracts, the only reason Hall has zero value and Huberdeau is negative is because of the term.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Nobody is saying that Huberdeau has positive trade value. If we're celebrating, it's because the team is finally getting some degree of value for that awful contract. You can't get rid of him, so you might as well enjoy the fact that he's finally producing for a change.

That doesn't make Hall worth anything. $250,000 per point is an awful price to pay for a forward.

So instead of telling me I’m wrong which is the simplest path, what’s your evaluation of Hall’s worth? Clearly he has some level of value because he was just traded for, unless you suppose Chicago ditched him just for the cap space that they ate on Rantanens retention.

None of this makes sense

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

I don’t really see the appeal here for Chicago. Trade an older but serviceable vet in Hall and retain 50% of Rantanens pay for the year all for a 3rd round pick? What’s the play here, they aren’t rocking much cap space after all this.

Carolina gets one of the top scoring players in the league, as a UFA, and a very serviceable journeyman with a scoring past.

Colorado gets a young forward with upside, Drury who I know nothing about and 2 draft picks.

Chicago retains a fair amount of money, loses hall, and a middle draft pick. I don’t get this from Chicagos point of view at all

Hall is a UFA after the season and Chicago had no intention of resigning. He had zero value to them. They get a third, their own, and the extra cap is actually not very much when you consider saving on Hall.