2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I’d rather the Flames go after Petterson than majorly overpaying for Rantanen

What is majorly overpay? Giving Rantanen $15M per for 7 years or adding Pettersson at $11.6M for 7 years and having to give up prime assets.

[Electricprez]

The Flames' history with free agent signings immediately makes me not want to offer 7 years and $15M to anyone.

It feels like there's never a sure thing.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I’d rather the Flames go after Petterson than majorly overpaying for Rantanen

A 26 year old #1 centre, with a 100 point season under his belt, would be pretty great. If the price is right.

Edit: The age gap isn't that huge between Pettersson and Rantanen, but you are likely avoiding 2-3 years of wasted cap space on the back end with Pettersson.

Really depends on what you have to give up to get Petterssen. If Petterssen costs you the equivalent of 3 firsts, then its' likely a no. If you can get him in a hockey trade for roster players, then maybe.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I’d rather the Flames go after Petterson than majorly overpaying for Rantanen

You would rather the Flames go after an inferior player that will cost a huge amount of assets for a better player that costs no assets and only about $2M more a year?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

What is majorly overpay? Giving Rantanen $15M per for 7 years or adding Pettersson at $11.6M for 7 years and having to give up prime assets.

15 x 7 or more for the UFA winger. I think the only way Rantanen would play for the Flames is a hilariously bad overpayment that would not be worth it. I don't think either is in the cards though

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Bonded

15 x 7 or more for the UFA winger. I think the only way Rantanen would play for the Flames is a hilariously bad overpayment that would not be worth it. I don't think either is in the cards though

Rantanen plays second line C at times for Colorado, if you are bringing him in you are playing him up the middle.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Rantanen plays second line C at times for Colorado, if you are bringing him in you are playing him up the middle.

That would be the most Flames thing ever. Overpay a guy who has had most of his success on the wing and force him into a centre role. I'd rather take the the gamble on the guy who is unhappy and has played PPG and sound defensive hockey as an actual center. For all the people think Cozens will pop off of Sabres, I think Pettersson is way more likely too and is way better.

[traptor]

Yeah rantenan is a multi season 40g/100+ pt. Hes 28 so I think think you get 4-5 years of prime hockey. I dont think 14m will be as big of a deal in years 5-8.

I dont think the flames can pick and choose. You don't after both and see which one sticks.


You want an elite center ready to go and locked up longterm, here you go. These are the opportunities without getting a #1 pick

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Rantanen plays second line C at times for Colorado, if you are bringing him in you are playing him up the middle.

I'd be very very worried about giving Rantanen $12M+

Rantanen and MacKinnon together: 55.2% xGF / 59.6% GF% (2550 Minutes)
Mackinnon w/o Rantanen: 54.6% xGF / 62.6% GF% (872 Minutes)
Rantanen w/o MacKinnon: 45.8% xGF / 45.9% GF% (989 Minutes)

One of those two guys is the play driver and I'm not sure it's Rantanen. I'm also not sold he's a center. Colorado has been desperate for centers since Kadri left and Rantanen still barely plays C or away from Mackinnon. I have a feeling Colorado doesn't see him as a C, and also are worried about his play away from Mackinnon a bit.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Bonded

That would be the most Flames thing ever. Overpay a guy who has had most of his success on the wing and force him into a centre role. I'd rather take the the gamble on the guy who is unhappy and has played PPG and sound defensive hockey as an actual center. For all the people think Cozens will pop off of Sabres, I think Pettersson is way more likely too and is way better.

Pettersson also seems like a late bloomer. He was a tall and very skinny player when he entered the league and has slowly been putting on more size. He'll never be a physical presence, but he had 125 hits last year.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by traptor

You want an elite center ready to go and locked up longterm, here you go. These are the opportunities without getting a #1 pick

He isn't a center and I think his production will dip hard on the Flames. He plays with way more talent in Colorado

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Bonded

That would be the most Flames thing ever. Overpay a guy who has had most of his success on the wing and force him into a centre role. I'd rather take the the gamble on the guy who is unhappy and has played PPG and sound defensive hockey as an actual center. For all the people think Cozens will pop off of Sabres, I think Pettersson is way more likely too and is way better.

I think Cozens is more realistic. I can't imagine the Canucks ever trading Pettersson to the Flames.

1) Petterson is the better player by far. His worst season matches up against Cozens' best season.

2) The Canucks are looking for a big return and would demand even more from the Flames (rival tax + payback on the Lindholm trade).

3) The Sabres are not in the playoff hunt at all and are not specifically racing against us for a playoff spot.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Wolven

I think Cozens is more realistic. I can't imagine the Canucks ever trading Pettersson to the Flames.

1) Petterson is the better player by far. His worst season matches up against Cozens' best season.

2) The Canucks are looking for a big return and would demand even more from the Flames (rival tax + payback on the Lindholm trade).

3) The Sabres are not in the playoff hunt at all and are not specifically racing against us for a playoff spot.

Yeah. I think I would prefer Cozens as well for these same reasons. The risk with him is also lower because the acquisition cost would be lower and his cap hit (while bad for what he brings currently) isn’t as high as Pettersson or Rantanen.

A Cozens trade is just so difficult for the flames because any vets they would want for him would not waive their NTC to go there and Buffalo does not want picks. I think the only way they could get Cozens is through a 3 team trade where the 3rd team wants picks but has NHL players that they can trade to Buffalo. Even then, Buffalo is at the top of everyone’s no trade list so it’s likely any teams’ quality players will not go there.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

What is majorly overpay? Giving Rantanen $15M per for 7 years or adding Pettersson at $11.6M for 7 years and having to give up prime assets.

Why not both?

[traptor]

I think the Canucks would trade him to us.

They've kind of painted themselves into a corner and teams smell weakness.
If the flames offer is the best,they would take it.

But its not a deal we would like.
It would probably have to include zary

[dino7c]

Steal Marner from Brad

[activeStick]

Those who watched the game last night, how did Cozens look to you? He wasn't very noticeable to me except for a few shifts in the 1st and 2nd. Definitely gave me pause on offering up a 1st and top prospects for him. Just one game, but didn't excite me.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Those who watched the game last night, how did Cozens look to you? He wasn't very noticeable to me except for a few shifts in the 1st and 2nd. Definitely gave me pause on offering up a 1st and top prospects for him. Just one game, but didn't excite me.

Their forwards seem like a mess - just a complete lack of chemistry.
The only guy I really noticed was Thompson and Quinn a bit.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Those who watched the game last night, how did Cozens look to you? He wasn't very noticeable to me except for a few shifts in the 1st and 2nd. Definitely gave me pause on offering up a 1st and top prospects for him. Just one game, but didn't excite me.

Dahlin looked like a junior a player.

I wouldn't pay attention to any single game Sabres performance one way or another at this point. They are an absolute tire fire and it would appear that most players have totally checked out or are actively getting worse in that environment.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Those who watched the game last night, how did Cozens look to you? He wasn't very noticeable to me except for a few shifts in the 1st and 2nd. Definitely gave me pause on offering up a 1st and top prospects for him. Just one game, but didn't excite me.

The same as every other time you watch him, invisible. He doesn't push the play like you want a center to.

All this chatter about him is draft position and size, but Joe Colbourne was big as well. Just because a player is big doesn't mean they use the size to be a big physical player.

I was more impressed by the defenceman and Byram.